Saturday, January 13, 2007

Constructing a Diva ...

In this blog, I’m going to look at a few things: one is to follow the progression of a local non-story into a national one; another is to look at the methods by which a false image can be (and is) generated; and finally, I will attempt to shed some light on the “haters’ " role in the construction of that image for Clay Aiken.


I was in the middle of writing up a blog that dealt with "the basics" ... a detailed, documented, look at how the negatively obsessed spread their untruths, when a perfect and recent example appeared: I came across the Billboard review for Clay Aiken's new single, A Thousand Days. It provides an example of the kind of success the "haters' " twisted versions of reality can have when they are allowed into the media......
Billboard

A Thousand Days

CLAY AIKEN

Label: RCA

It's "Idol" release week, eh? The previous single from Clay Aiken's "A Thousand Different Ways," an inexplicable cover of Mariah Carey/Harry Nilsson's "Without You," barely connected at AC radio. Follow-up "A Thousand Days" is an original song that delivers upon the potent interpreter's signature: hand-flinging vocals, a soaring melody and a simple, singable chorus. Aiken's challenge at this point is more a public relations issue. As press reports continue to spread repeated tales of his lack of humility and haughty, diva-like disposition, how much longer before fans retreat and any semblance of radio support fades like a Christmas wreath? —Chuck Taylor

For now I'm not even going to get into why a review for a single would talk about Aiken's disposition, but this has been one line of attack from the haters for quite a while now.... "Clay is a hypocritical, selfish, opportunistic, diva, jerk." They have taken advantage of every opportunity to spread that perception into blogs, messageboards, and, eventually, the media. Even if there is some truth in the fact that he might occasionally have a bad day, that is news because…? Join the human race.

Apparently, though, Aiken must be held to a higher standard than the rest of the humanity because he is a popular singer that came into public awareness through American Idol. I think some people take the "idol" part a bit too seriously and it's not the fans. It is, ironically, the obsessed anti-fan that expects perfection and is quick to point out, distort, and amplify any suggestion of being subject to the same moods and feelings as any ordinary person. Due to their own agendas and/or unrealistic expectations and/or mental health issues, these people have helped to push a perception of Aiken into the public consciousness through the use of lies and distortion, along with email and posting campaigns to various media outlets and blogs, especially those that are already predisposed to believe this line of attack.

Here is the recipe: Take a small event. Toss in an individual or two who may have thought (select one) a) he or she was more important than the event/job Aiken was hired to do at that particular venue, b) Aiken should have dropped everything he was doing at that moment to spend time getting to know them because they are so special, c) Aiken should have taken one look at them and realized true love when he saw it, d) he should be eternally licking the boots of anyone who ever voted for him, e) he owes it to every hopeful singer in America to share the stage with them, f) he was a different person than that fantasy persona they had constructed in their mind, g) a sense of entitilement, or h)any combination of the preceding. Mix well with misquotes, innuendo, exaggeration, and bias, and above all never let the truth or the whole story stand in the way. Shake and serve to any and all who will listen. Repeatedly. Over and over. Swarm any blogs and comment areas on the internet and take on as many fake identities as necessary to get your point across. Don't be afraid of distorting the facts even more over time, because you can rest assured that most blogs, sites, and journalists won't bother to verify the facts.

The recent press coverage of the Greensboro Symphony "incident" (and the subsequent swarming of blogs and comment areas, such as at Fox8 and TMZ) is a good example of this. It's not a big story, nor is it significant, but it spread all over the internet and seeped into mainstream news, and had a detrimental effect on Aiken's image. For the uninitiated, here is a summary: Aiken hired the Greensboro (NC) Symphony to accompany him in his last symphonic concert of his most recent holiday tour. The press which followed painted him as a "diva," asserted that he was only hired by the orchestra, and accused him of booting a 15 year old boy from the program so that he could sing a longer set. Here is the reality:

According to an email sent to a patron by Lisa Crawford, the symphony CEO:

"1_ Greensboro Symphony was hired by a promoter to be the orchestra for Clay Aiken"

So, first of all, the symphony was playing with Aiken, it was his show, not the other way around. This is an important point.

Other relevant points:

"7_ We received an e-mail from Community Theater asking if the 2 Triad Idol singers could perform on concert. They had performed with us in October at our education concerts. We checked with promoter and were given the green light to invite them to perform WITH the Symphony not WITH Clay Aiken.

8_ Once rehearsal began, Aiken management asked that we not perform any non-Holiday songs. We only had orchestra charts for the Triad Idols for 2 songs and they were non-Holiday.

9_ We told the 2 Triad Idol singers, we would need to cancel their songs. We still wanted to include them in the concert and we asked Aiken management if they could lead the Christmas Song sing-along. Aiken management was very gracious and said this would be fine along with the little girl singing the Hippo song. When we told the Triad idol singers, they seemed very glad to still be part of the show. Throughout the evening, they did not indicate they were unhappy."

First of all, if there is a gap in communication it seems it is between the symphony, promoter, community theater, and the performers, not Clay Aiken. Second, this was a Christmas concert. It is not unreasonable to expect Christmas songs to be sung at a Christmas concert. Once again, remember that it was Aiken that hired the orchestra to accompany him for this Christmas performance. Third, the email notes "Aiken management was very gracious.." In other words, no "diva-ness." No temper tantrums. No booting crying children off the stage. Finally, she states the Triad singers "seemed very glad to be part of the show."

The following is how the media initially reported this. It started off as a local story, but it was already skewed:

Fox WGHP.com

Clay Aiken at Center of Concert Controversy

Jeff Varner

FOX8 WGHP -- The post-concert buzz from Clay Aiken’s Christmas concert with the Greensboro Symphony Orchestra is not all positive.

15-year-old Joshua Willard of Lexington was supposed to sing during Saturday’s concert. He rehearsed Saturday afternoon at the Greensboro Coliseum and was looking forward to singing on the same stage with Aiken. Joshua won the 2006 Triad Idol competition.

About half an hour after rehearsal, Willard said he was told his act had been cut from the show. Joshua said Lisa Crawford from the Greensboro Symphony relayed a message from Clay’s team. Crawford reportedly told Joshua he was being cut from the show because he was not singing Christmas tunes.

As a consolation, Joshua was allowed to sing 30 seconds leading a group sing-along. He also got to go backstage to meet and get a picture with Clay.

"Clay's sitting there behind us kind of...barely touching us like he thinks we're diseased or something," said Joshua.

Clay used to be Joshua’s idol, now he has a different opinion. “He is very snotty and I don't want to have anything to do with him," added Joshua.

The Symphony confirms Joshua’s story. Greensboro Coliseum officials say Joshua was bumped because Clay decided to sing the longest set of his tour.

As of Wednesday night, calls to Clay’s manager and promoters have not been returned to FOX8 News."

There are many things wrong with this story. To begin with, Aiken did not sing the longest set of his tour. He sang the same set he performed at every other concert except at one which had a venue time-restriction in place. The reporter could have easily verified this. If the Greensboro Coliseum officials were indeed saying what he alleges they did, without having any idea of the truth .. well, that just says volumes right there.

Second, while it's understandable that the child would be disappointed, as one can see from reading Crawford's email, this incident was not Clay's responsibility. One has to wonder why this very biased perspective of a 15 year old's disappointment, directed toward someone who was not responsible for that disappointment, made the television news. The full story was certainly available with minimal legwork required to verify it. Perhaps none of the individuals that were actually responsible wanted to admit it? It is also my understanding that, according to a post the boy himself made on another site, only a few minutes of the teen's 45-minute interview was actually shown and that his quotes were taken out of context. It doesn’t paint a very flattering picture of this station’s reliability.

Finally, this statement: "Clay's sitting there behind us kind of...barely touching us like he thinks we're diseased or something," What did the young man expect? If he was unhappy that night, from all accounts no one that was there at the time was able to see it and he, Clay, and the young woman look very happy in the photo I've seen.

Additionally, recaps from that night, like this one that was written at least a day prior to the Fox news story, include statements such as this: "The young kids that sang at the beginning of the show sat right behind us before Clay came out on stage, and we got a chance to talk with them. They said they were asked to perform at the last minute, so they were very nervous! But they really had a blast and Clay was so nice and so friendly to them! They also got to go backstage and spend time with Clay after the show! It was cute to see how excited they were to be performing with the Greensboro Symphony and with Clay!!"

Let me repeat that. “But they really had a blast and Clay was so nice and friendly to them!”

If that weren’t enough, even after the long night of performing, and at the end of a three week tour, Aiken went outside after the show to say thank you to his fans, like he does after almost every show, and shake their hands.

It seems like Clay was made the scapegoat for poor planning on the part of other entities involved, none of whom stepped up to the plate to take responsibility for the poor communications. Aiken simply performed his usual set for the fans ... some of whom had traveled across the country to see him.

Well, the "haters" quickly jumped onboard, adopting the false premise that Aiken was hired by the orchestra (not true) and fired the boy in some petty diva moment (not true) and that all of the Clay fans were at the reporter's blog ripping the boy to shreds (not true .. unless you call not buying into that version of events and supporting Aiken as "ripping to shreds"). The following condensed quotes are from the 411 blog, as they coordinated their efforts to exaggerate and spread this non-story to as many outlets as possible (my comments are in the brackets {. }:

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Clay was jealous that this young queer kid might steal the show. Typical for Faiken!

mpslc | 12.28.06 - 12:07 am | #

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IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CLAY KNEW ABOUT BEFORE HAND..IT WASEN'T HIS SHOW AND...HE IS THE ADULT HERE...HELLOOOO

Ro | 12.28.06 - 12:09 am | #

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Perhaps Joshua's voice was so good that Miss Aiken didn't want to be upstaged.

GJAC | 12.28.06 - 12:12 am | #

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Percocet, I just posted the link to the blog over at that news site. Maybe some hometown folks coming to read about Faiken and the mates? {translation: who wants to go over and pretend to be some hometown folks?}

http://community.myfoxwghp.com/b...n? pg=8#comments

mpslc | 12.28.06 - 12:43 am | #

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Excellent move, mpslc! I like your style!

Dramamine | 12.28.06 - 12:47 am | #

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MPSLC, I could hug you! You crack me up! LOL!

Percocet | 12.28.06 - 12:48 am | #

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the guy who wrote this should know Faiken isn't represented by 19 anymore. Does anyone have the phone number for SAM?

anonymoose | 12.28.06 - 11:53 am | #

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send all of this to the press, tabloids, perez, tv...time someone stood up for the kids...enough.

anonymoose | 12.28.06 - 11:54 am | #

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I say they should hang Aiken by his ball sack in the town square!

Rabid MPSLC | 12.28.06 - 11:59 am | #

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Where can we watch the video of Joshua's interview?

Anon | | 12.28.06 - 11:14 am | #

On the previous blog, there was a link to the story. When you go to that link read down a little and on the left there is a box with video.

I think we ALL should send the link to this story around! I'm going to be out for much of the afternoon, but spread the word! LOL!

Percocet | 12.28.06 - 12:06 pm | #

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I hope he ruptures his vocal cords and has to resort to singing from his asshole. A stupid moron like you would probably pay double to see that anyway.

LMAO!! Considering what I've heard from Clay on this tour, he may actually sound better singing from his asshole!

Dramamine | 12.28.06 - 12:24 pm | #

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Clay is such a pathetic, petty loser. Your star is fading, Aiken. I hope you have to sell your home and move back in with that shrew of a mother. It would serve you right!

Rabid MPSLC | 12.28.06 - 12:24 pm | #

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Let's not forget Faded Youth, Gawker and Jossip. They are always interested in Clay and his Claymates behaving like assholes!

Dramamine | 12.28.06 - 12:31 pm | #

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I went over to fadedyouth and tried to contact Arasto about posting the story over there. Hopefully, he'll pick up on it.

neverafan | 12.28.06 - 1:03 pm | #

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{this is referencing a similarly constructed (by some of the same people) story from 2004}

Percocet...perhaps the writer of the 2004 piece would like a follow up to see how "teacher Clay" has conducted himself since he last reported on his behavior with children...

anonymoose | | 12.28.06 - 1:15 pm | #

I'm going to send it, but I think we ALL should. That's the way to call attention to something.

Percocet | 12.28.06 - 1:18 pm | #

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you need to be wishing Faiken luck..because his is fast running out

nice recap of the TRUTH of what just happened on the tour..no wait..not a tour..because no one will sponsor one of those for Faiken...

it is coming..it is coming...TRUTH will rule the day...

SereneAura | Homepage | 12.28.06 - 1:55 pm | #

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Take a hike and keep drinking the koolaid until it starts pouring out of your eyeballs because that it what it's going to take for you unbelievable idiots to continue supporting this shithead prick. Just STFU and die!

Dramamine | 12.28.06 - 2:00 pm | #

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Perez Hilton has now picked up the story. I can't access his site so I don't know if he put his own spin on it. Can someone check it out and bring it over.

neverafan | 12.28.06 - 2:15 pm | #

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It keeps getting better and better!

mpslc | 12.28.06 - 4:06 pm | #

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I dropped a story suggestion to the station that Jeff Varne works for, suggested they do a follow up on the fallout from the story.

prozac | 12.28.06 - 4:13 pm | #

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prozac..do you have link to contact the reporter...I am gonna drop him a line too...this can't die out..with more truth coming to the forefront..and this young man is going to need everyone's help...

karma | 12.28.06 - 4:17 pm | #

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Neverafan, go out and make another suggestion and add to it. It might help to encourage a followup.

prozac | 12.28.06 - 4:20 pm | #

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I'm going to write that dude and pretend to be an over the top Claymate.

Rabid MPSLC | 12.28.06 - 8:52 pm | #

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GO MPSLC!!! LOL!!

Percocet | 12.28.06 - 8:56 pm | #

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That is just a small sampling from one blog, and it is not the only one. What they call the TRUTH .. and perhaps some have even convinced themselves of it ....is a lie, a lie that they deliberately, with forethought and malice, with the intent of defamation, spread throughout the internet and to the media. They pretend to care so much about the boy, but what they are really all about is finding another opportunity to try to hurt Aiken.

While the comments in the initial two or so days to the blog at Fox8 were from concert attendees and were largely well reasoned and supportive of Clay, and while a couple did call in fact challenge the boy on his version of the events as they were related to the media (which was possibly grounded in his ignorance of what really went on behind the scenes), the real action started happening once the blog was swarmed by the haters, both those pretending to be "Claymates,” and those who professed their hate. The attacks were over the top -- towards Joshua, towards Aiken, towards the fans. Yet another reprehensible example .. among many ... of what these haters are capable of and do on a regular basis. Their own words speak the loudest.

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Well, to no surprise, the oh-so-trustworthy blog sites and media were quickly on the story. Here are a few snipped examples:

Clay Aiken: American A-Hole?

Posted Dec 28th 2006 11:52AM by TMZ Staff

Filed under: Music, Wacky and Weird, American Idol

Clay Aiken's diva-like behavior has got one former fan pissed off. The former "American Idol" star is being accused of booting a 15-year-old boy off of a concert line-up simply because he wasn't festive enough.

"Joshua Willard won a North Carolina singing competition, which gave him the chance to perform with the Greensboro Symphony during Clay Aiken's Holiday concert on Saturday. Willard told TMZ he rehearsed his song, Stevie Wonder's "Superstition," and had just finished a soundcheck when managers of the Symphony told him the devastating news that Aiken's camp had decided that he would not be allowed to perform because he was not singing a Christmas song. Bah Humbug! ......An hour after the show, Willard got to meet Clay, but says that Miss Thing was "snotty" and acted like he was too good for his little fans. The former Claymates were even told not to take individual pictures with Aiken, only group shots. Willard is devastated and says that due to Aiken's behavior, he now "could care less of Clay." Joshua hopes to tryout for the next season of "American Idol," to show the world what a down to earth Idol is really like.

Calls to Clay's rep were not immediately returned."

See how it's been twisted already?

Here are a couple more examples:

Hollyscoop 12/28

" Is Clay nation turning on this former American Idol star? Seems like Clay Aiken's diva-like behavior is getting out of control and one fan is pretty pissed off about it. Clay is being accused of booting a 15-year-old boy off of a concert line-up simply because he wasn't festive enough. Maybe the kid wasn’t his type?"

Post-Chronicle 12/28

" "Snotty Diva" Clay Aiken Under Fire By Young Boy

By Mike Baron

Dec 28, 2006

Clay Aiken is a mean diva with a poor taste in comedy. According to TMZ, the former 'American Idol' star is is being accused of kicking a 15-year-old boy off a concert line-up - because he wasn't festive enough.

15-year-old Joshua Willard was the winner of a North Carolina singing contest, which opened the door to an opportunity to perform with the Greensboro Symphony during Clay Aiken's Holiday concert on Saturday. Willard told TMZ he practiced his song, 'Superstition', and had just completed a soundcheck when he got the disappointing news. Diva-Aiken decided Willard couldn't perform because he wasn't singing a Christmas song."

Then the story spread to newspapers around the country and was linked to the AOL entertainment page.

Unbelievable isn't it? See how this story progressed from what really happened to what was reported by our reliable media? Keep a few elements of truth, add the diva spin .. and voila! The media was ready to eat it up.

And all the while this is going on, the “haters” are swarming the blogs of sites such as TMZ and Fox8, helping to ensure their spin of the story gets firmly embedded.

So what is the fallout of all of this for Clay Aiken? Take another look at the Billboard review. Once again, Aiken is portrayed as a "diva." Once again, he has been falsely portrayed in the media, and that false portrayal is reflected in the take that this reviewer had. It seems that there are many willing to swill from the recipe the “haters” dish out, and it's truly sad and disturbing that what appears to be a genuinely good and talented man has to continually deal with this kind of crap at least partially because of a few obsessive and disturbed individuals.

Anyway, this is just one example, and a relatively mild one at that, of how the image of a "diva" is constructed through the mutual cooperation of the media and the "haters.". As much of a non-issue as this event was, the cumulative effect of these kinds of contrived stories have their impact.

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I know that many of you have archives on your messageboards, and screencaps on your hard drives. I thought it might be interesting to bring over other examples of this kind of manipulated and falsified news story/event into the comments section. Pure Fashion and Sewell, among others, come to mind. The most effective examples will have these "hater's" own words telling the story of their actions…of their malicious intent. I suggest that if you bring something over, briefly summarize the event or story at the beginning of the post, and then copy/paste the relevant quotes and snippets as I've done in this blog. If possible, be sure to indicate where you got your quotes from. It might make a very interesting read.

Once again, comments will be moderated according to the same parameters as last time, plus I won’t put through any posts that type out JP’s full name. Just a matter of principle.

The next blog will focus on semantics, and other assorted word-games: How to take a quote out of context, edit, and spin, spin, spin.


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112 comments:

tnmtmama said...

Thank you, nighthawk! It would be wonderful if the guilty "media" people would read this and see how they have been manipulated, but I know they won't. Can't admit how incompetent they are and how easy it is to "play" them. I would hope that at least Chuck Taylor could read it, but I doubt if he will, or admit that he was just as big a sucker as any of the others.

Anonymous said...

After almost four years, it is still shocking to me how much these lunatics hate. I also cannot believe the time,energy, and effort they put into their hate. The comments you brought over on your blog tell the story. It is a very ugly story indeed. What causes this amount of hatred towards a popstar? He is not the Pope,or the President,or a Senator. He is a popstar. I can only conclude that these people are freaking insane. Those comments are so over the top that they are almost laughable. Sad,insane excuses for human beings. One would hope that they would someday find something that gives them joy in their lives. But maybe the fact is, that they are not capable of feeling joy. Hating is what makes them feel alive. Oh, and the comment about Clay losing his house, and having to move in with his Mom. That one was telling,wasn't it? Envy is an ugly thing.

Traveler on Life's Path said...

WOW! You laid out this latest false smear attempt in all its ugliness!

Kudos to you!

This small group of delusional haters combined with agenda-burdened media types adds up to a vile, sleazy yet transparent defamation campaign.

Exposing them to the light is the best procedure.

Because of Billboard's ties to American Idol, one should not be surprised that Chuckie baby chooses to trash Clay. It all fits into the very intentional mindset of falsely creating their perspective.

The truth is that Clay is as un-divalike as a celebrity can get. As the email comments from the spokeswoman for the Greensboro Symphony noted, Clay was GRACIOUS.

Shame on Varner for using a 15 year old in his nefarious attempt to dig up dirt on Aiken where none exists.

Keep on rocking, Nighthawk!

Anonymous said...

This is an excellent blog. Very well constructed. I wish everyone could see it.

Anonymous said...

And this is suppose to make us feel good?! This is character assassination. When is someone in Clay's camp going to start fighting back. This crap cannot continue because it will destroy Clay's career.

Pink Armchair said...

This is excellent. Thank you, nighthawk. I hope everyone reads it. I love how you exposed the planning process behind this smear campaign. These haters are so pathetic. If they approached something they like with the same enthusiasm as tearing down someone they hate (and why? what has he ever done to deserve this?), think what they could accomplish. Instead, they sit there chained to their computers and spinning their wheels. Sad, really.

Anonymous said...

And this is suppose to make us feel good?! This is character assassination. When is someone in Clay's camp going to start fighting back. This crap cannot continue because it will destroy Clay's career.

No it won't. You know why? Because of fans like 911. Those of us who have kept up with this can see the campaign as clear as day. Soon others will too. Gossip and hate have been around for a long time. The internet and Idol fan wars have taken things to a new level.

Anonymous said...

Nighthawk, kudos to you. You write and think like a REAL journalist. This is a fascinating topic and dissection of a phenomenon that occurs now on the internet. You should really consider offering your piece to some publication, because it is germaine to internet yellow journalism. You did a great job.

Anonymous said...

When is a 'real' journalist going to pick up the truth. When is a 'real' journalist going to expose these haters and what they are doing. We know that Clay's record label and management team are going to do absolutely nothing to help him. And I wish we would stop indicating someone is copying and pasting the 'haters' blogs so the blogs can be used against them legally. Clay's legal team has done nothing in 2006 to stop these bastards, why would the same legal team suddenly change their approach now. I think someone reported that both Clive Davis and Clay Aiken used the same entertainment law firm. Unfortunately I do think Clive is a bit more powerful than Clay.

This is well-organized smear campaign planned by some very powerful people to destroy Clay Aiken. And if some people just as powerful and well-organized as the haters do not step-up to the plate soon, beside Clay's fans, the haters will win. That is the reality. Clay cannot continue to take these blows and survive professionally.

Anonymous said...

This is well-organized smear campaign planned by some very powerful people to destroy Clay Aiken. And if some people just as powerful and well-organized as the haters do not step-up to the plate soon, beside Clay's fans, the haters will win. That is the reality. Clay cannot continue to take these blows and survive professionally.

Thing is I don't follow any other celebrities. I realize though that the Globe and the NE are full every week. The gossip bloggers go full steam every day on all the celebrites. I think we are just to close to the Clay hate and don't realize it happens to them all. Most never harp on what's being said about them. Clay just did a PSA for Unisef, there are some good things happening. Clay has star power, the hate mongers keep spewing that CA is over, WHERE? WHEN? I think they believe if they keep saying it, it makes it true. It doesn't.

Noteworthycauses said...

Click here to watch Setting the Record Straight...Again

This video describes how an agenda driven media, persistent haters, and sexual stereotypes have hindered Clay Aiken's freedom to define himself as a public figure. Sexual bigotry is a hurtful tool haters have historically used against celebrities, but particularly against Clay Aiken.

Anonymous said...

After seeing that video, I wonder how much more is Clay suppossed to say or do?

Truth Rules said...

After seeing the TV Guide special with a previously unaired answer segment, one also has to wonder how many of his answers wound up on the cutting room floor because they didn't fit in the the desired spin.

Anonymous said...

Excellent blog, nicely articulated analysis! I suspect that most of the readers of the blog are, unfortunately, fans who know the story even if they don't know all the details. (oh, and we already know the obsessed haters read it) So, how can this information get into the hands of the people that need to see it? If this light stays hidden under a bushel, it won't be able to do much. Taylor (or someone more objective at Billboard) needs to read this; Varner's boss needs to read this. That's a bare minimum to start.

Anonymous said...

Another excellent blog, Nighthawk. Keep up the good work. I have to wonder where some of these "journalist" received their degrees. Degrees must come very, very cheap these days in the hallowed halls of the journalism schools. Whatever happened to checking sources and finding the truth?

Anonymous said...

I read the GLOBE stories on Clay this week, what I found most interesting ( besides the fact that all are owned by the same owner...Globe, NE and STAR) is that of the stories of "sexual encounters" ALL were first reported on the hate blogs and Perez. many were created on the HATERS blog and I can point out exactly which ones. I find that most interesting,that thier "hate" includes taking thier lies directly to NE and others. that is beyond hate, that's criminal.

I do thank Clay for one thing( among many other things). I no longer purchase celeb magazines...Never again, not after what I saw happenning to him(as a result of being a Clay fan. I learn so much. Thank you Clay.)

rtw said...

I also saw the Globe article and found it very disturbing. This is all snowballing out of control. If all of these negative stories contine about Clay, I really fear for his career. And for what? So people can be amused reading about a stranger's personal life?

I used to find little tidbits about celebrities interesting. Now I think twice about believing anything that is written about any celebrity. Even though they are in the public life, it's still an invasion of their privacy. These are people just like everyone else and they have feelings too.

As the clip someone posted the link to on youtube said "he shouldn't be anyone's punch line."

I am so sick of what goes on on the Internet, and then spills over into the so-called media. Anyone can say anything and everyone believes it, no thought involved, no questions asked. It's getting worse out there and it really disgusts me.

I have a lot of respect for Clay. If I went through all that he's going through, I wouldn't be able to handle it with nearly as much class and grace as he has.

oneidolwoman said...

Noteworthycauses,

I appreciated seeing the video. Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Why can't the truth be mailed to all these media outlets by tons of fans? Can't we fight fire with fire?

Anonymous said...

Why can't the truth be mailed to all these media outlets by tons of fans? Can't we fight fire with fire?

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Unfortunately, they don't want to hear the truth. And, besides, when they see tons of communications from Claymates, they'll only laugh and turn it around on Clay and his fans.

tnmtmama said...

Anon at 11:17

I know how you feel. I get so tired of behaving as a civilized person in the face of these attacks. I'd love to fight fire with fire. However, these attacks have included US, and if we send this stuff to media outlets, we'll be labeled "those crazy Claymates" again. It is too bad that they, the media, are too stupid to realize how they have been manipulated by a small group of insane fanatics who live to hate one popstar.

Anonymous said...

I think one of the ways in which the haters campaign has been the most successful is that by impersonating us they helped to create an image that makes it difficult for anyone to take what any of the fans have to say seriously. (and I can picture them copying this post to their site and crowing and high-fiving about it - doesn't say much for them as human beings and deep down they know it.) It also makes us afraid to act.

Fans support their artist. Thats what they do. But we've been made to feel guilty about it, and even though there are OTT fans for sure, planting that idea that we're all crazy has been another goal of theirs I think. Unfortunately it seems to have worked. At least for now. LOL

Anonymous said...

With respect to the "haters", I must say that the one thing that absolutely boggles my mind about them is the fact that many of them have had NUMEROUS meet and greets with Clay. Why on earth would one continue to impose themselves on a celebrity they consider to be rude and offensive? I just don't get it!

Anonymous said...

Ooops, I meant to edit that a little. I meant to say outside of making a false image for Clay in the media that is what they have done, make us look worse than we really are. It just hurts, you know?

Anonymous said...

You know reading their blog is actually hysterical because they are sooo deluded. AS in certifiable .. and they don't see it. I think they actually believe the shit they say. They just take something that is a lie and repeat it as if it were true and eveyone just falls into lockstep. And the LOGIC!! bwahhah!! Lets see, they help plant a story that Clay is a diva around the internet and on news blogs and then the tabloids (Globe) picks it up and they turn around and say see it was true. Do they not SEE how deluded that is? Is there no one there with a logical braincell? What hypocritical maroons.

Like whats on this blog and also on theirs, with them getting all up in arms and saying the orchestra hired Clay for the show when that so totally was NOT true! Yet just because they decided it was, well then it was. Is there a psychological term other than deluded for that kind of shit? Besides nuts, I mean?

Anonymous said...

To the poster at 1:58AM:

Yes, there is a term for these nutcases. Pathological.

Anonymous said...

Great blog to expose those lying, filthy pigs at claymate411.

Anonymous said...

Great blog!! So true!! I couldn't agree more!! xoxo

Anonymous said...

noteworthycauses, great montage

Anonymous said...

Even if this really did happen and this is true, Clay and we fans do not deserve this kind of sick hate. Just because Clay is talented and we are devoted fans, doesn't make us crazy. It makes us devoted. They see Clay as a threat to their favorite singers and that is why they attack us. They don't even wanna go there.

rwalsh said...

Bravo, Nighthawk! Keep up the good work! This is exactly what is needed to expose the haters for what they are, namely, sick pathological liars. I pray your blog is picked up by the media and given as much attention, if not more, than all the haters' blogs. I don't understand why Clay's "people" have not put a stop to the garbage, but we'll just have to do the job ourselves! I can't wait to see your next blog. Your work is spectacular! KUDOS! KUDOS! KUDOS!

rtw said...

Like whats on this blog and also on theirs, with them getting all up in arms and saying the orchestra hired Clay for the show when that so totally was NOT true!
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And it gets reported and none of the "journalists" check it out. Like Jeff Varner put in his blog that Clay didn't let Joshua and the others sing because he wanted to perform his "longest set."

Jeff was told over and over that that is not true, there is no longer set, but he didn't check it out, or if he did, he never corrected his blog. It's still up there.

Anonymous said...

I do thinnk this blog is great. Unfortunately, the lies are the ones being printed and spread. The fans can't do it. Someone who has some power HAS to do something. We are definitely loosing the battles right now but hopefully we will win the war.

Anonymous said...

I think there is also a lot of good stuff written. It's just that the haters take any speck they can possibly twist to make it look bad and then push it into the usual online sources, and the tabloids and underbelly of the internet just picks up on that. That Globe article is just some lazy writer using google and picking up the crap from those sites, and that crap was..well crap .. to begin with. Now it's just recycled crap.

From what I hear from someone who knows him is that Clay is actually very happy right now and has a lot of good stuff going on.

Anonymous said...

Well, Anon at 12:37, I hope that includes a record label change, a management change and a legal representative change. Plus please include a new PERSONAL PR person. I can say 'no comment' and will not charge Clay a dime.

Anonymous said...

I think one of the ways in which the haters campaign has been the most successful is that by impersonating us they helped to create an image that makes it difficult for anyone to take what any of the fans have to say seriously.

Dirt sells, it always has. Fans have to continue to put out the good. I believe this trash is still new, it will get old. The haters will vanish. I don't think they have won a thing.

rtw said...

I like the new blog page, Nighthawk. Nice color.

Here is another example of distortion on 411. One of the most disturbed and delusional ones, D, has a post this morning stating "Here is an article of reviews. Ruben sold more than Clay."

I went to the site and, first of all, it's not a review. It's a listing of stats for Idols.

It says that Ruben sold 300 more copies of his CD than Clay THIS PAST WEEK.

rayofhope said...

When a DJ, on-line blogger or someone in the media receives a comment from a self-identified "Claymate", they assume no matter how crazy it is that the person is telling the truth. How stupid is that when the person making the contact is anonymous and could be anyone.

rtw said...

Dirt sells, it always has. Fans have to continue to put out the good. I believe this trash is still new, it will get old. The haters will vanish. I don't think they have won a thing.
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I'm sorry to disagree. I don't think the trash will get old. Not as long as people love it, and they do. And the haters aren't going anywhere. This is one of the things they live for, trashing Clay and hoping for his downfall. They are too obsessed with hate for them to go away. This is a vicious campaign they have going.

I do agree that they haven't won anything because Clay is strong and doing well. But we can't understimate them and their mission.

oneidolwoman said...

I wish everyone could agree on a term to describe the haters that strips them of their delusional power. Maybe the term haters implies too much strength. How about a term that captures more specifically what they actually are as in lame, pathetic, laughable, filthy, demented, self-loathing and obsessed pathological liars. Is there a word or acronym that captures all of that and underscores how truly WEAK they are? If there is, and everyone started using it, it would catch on.

With all the intelligent and creative Clay fans out there, I hope someone has an idea.

Anonymous said...

I wish everyone could agree on a term to describe the haters that strips them of their delusional power. Maybe the term haters implies too much strength. How about a term that captures more specifically what they actually are as in lame, pathetic, laughable, filthy, demented, self-loathing and obsessed pathological liars. Is there a word or acronym that captures all of that and underscores how truly WEAK they are? If there is, and everyone started using it, it would catch on.

With all the intelligent and creative Clay fans out there, I hope someone has an idea.

I agree.

THE SLIMEGREEN

celebhith said...

“Aiken should have dropped everything he was doing at that moment to spend time getting to know them because they are so special c) Aiken should have taken one look at them and realized true love when he saw it


Perfectly said, Nighthawk! The ONLY bad M&Gs I’ve ever heard of, for instance, were all had by 3 people I happen to know. . . and all 3 had expectations when they went in. Two went in believing Clay should/would recognize them from previous M&Gs, one of those two believed he should be phenomenally and effusively grateful to her for all the money she had raised for BAF and the 3rd was upset (and became convinced he was gay) because “all normal men can’t resist her”! She also exhibited behavior that got her warned 3 times and nearly got her thrown out.

And God forbid “411” should tell the honest truth . . .about ANYthing! They pick and choose what they post, insinuate that several of their members are in the know and yet NEVER explain themselves fully or validate their lies (because they can’t).

Thank you so much for this site; you’re doing much needed work here (this post will probably be copied and pasted on the haters site, because they seem to love me almost as much as they “love” Clay!).

nighthawk said...

Hopefully the new template makes the blog easier to read for everyone. I didn't change the formatting, but this template picks it up in a more sensible way.

I had a comment or two about the length. I was aware of the possible issues with respect to that when I posted this particular entry, but chose to continue anyway. For credibility's sake, I feel it is important to provide the specific and relevant examples to support my statements at this point. Not all entries will have this length, but those couple that illustrate some of the basics might.

Consider it more like Salon.com than Headline News.

Not everyone's cup of tea, but that's alright. I have my own purpose with this blog.

Hit a nerve said...

Nighthawk
Doesn't matter to me how many words you use. I'll read them!
Knowing that the "haters" are reading what is written here, (cause they can't help themselves) and knowing they will be annoyed,( cause they can't fight back here on this blog) does my heart good.

And just for those 411s who do read this, know that I won't be reading your blog . I stopped before the holidays and life is much better. Hope you enjoy seeing yourselves as normal people see you.:)

Anonymous said...

Truth be told, I never read the blog at 411. The actual blog makes no difference over there. I did however read your entire blog, and boy did it make it's point.

Anonymous said...

I have another name for them

GULLIBLE

They will believe ANYTHING as long as it paints Clay in a bad light. Said by ANYBODY. Any nameless idiot on the internet or any concocted tabloid story built on the myths they themselves have pushed into the media.

Lets see, who would you believe? UNICEF officials, David and Jaymes Foster, many fellow artists, including Kelly and Ruben, Michael Orland, Fred Bronson, Quiana, Angela, Andy, Daniel, Felix, numerous friends and colleagues, the children helped by BAF, hundreds of fans to whom he was nothing but gracious, Washington officials, and many many more

OR

a sociopathic ex-green beret, a psychopathic ex-tour business operator, an anonymous few people on the internet, a few jilted, rabid ex-fans, a few rabid fans of other artists, tabloids.

YO!! Reality Check!!!

G-U-L-L-I-B-L-E

oneidolwoman said...

Acronym entry:

W.O.R.T.S.

Warped Obsessed Ranters Talking Sicko

Of course, I would never call someone a wart. :)

Anonymous said...

Regarding the M&Gs, there was one of tinny's crew who also met Cowell and imagined him to be "responding" to her in a flirtatious manner. She contrasted this to her meeting with Clay who didn't react to her similarly. Voila, there she established proof positive that Clay isn't into women. I must hand it to these women, they do have vivid imaginations. Wasn't there a book written by some guy entitled "He's Just Not Into You" or something like that. Recommended reading for the ex-rabid fans who fantasize about celebs falling in love with them.

bamintx said...

Thank you, Nighthawk. I particularly appreciate your true journalistic approach. You mention your "purpose" and while I may not know exactly what it is, I'm sure it is noble and I'm encouraged.

Anonymous said...

I came across your blog through another blog with a similar sentiment, Marhaven's Musings - PUBLIC RELATIONS OR MEDIA INTEGRITY ISSUE?

Anonymous said...

Acronym entry:

W.O.R.T.S.

Warped Obsessed Ranters Talking Sicko

Of course, I would never call someone a wart. :)

I like WORTS. Its short and to the point.

idiotsall said...

How about:

D.U.M.B.A.S.S

Delusional,Unhappy,Mindless,Bitches, Always,Slinging,Shit

oneidolwoman said...

D.U.M.B.A.S.S also has a nice ring to it. "Mr/Ms Blogger, that crap you just published on your site, that's from D.U.M.B.A.S.S. Gotcha!"

Or,

(Fan comment on another blog) "You can tell the W.O.R.T.S. are here in full force."

If D.U.M.B.A.S.S. and W.O.R.T.S are a little too dignified, how about

Hacks embittered, ranting noxious ignorance anonymously and shamelessly.

Yes! The H.E.R.N.I.A.S.

"Sure looks like the H.E.R.N.I.A.S. have been here spewing their lies."

Can E.N.E.M.A.S. be far behind?

Someone please stop me before I hurt myself. :)))

nighthawk said...

Thanks to the person who pointed out the code issues in Internet Explorer. I don't use IE, so didn't get those on my display. I'll work on fixing that.

TheOtherWhiteMeat said...

RUNTS


Really Ugly Nasty Turd Shitheads

But that would be insulting to other Shitheads;)

Anonymous said...

Collect all of these, then lets vote. I love it.

Hit a nerve said...

F.R.O.G.S.

Fanatical Rotten Obnoxious Gross Slimeballs

Anonymous said...

Thanks to the person who pointed out the code issues in Internet Explorer. I don't use IE, so didn't get those on my display. I'll work on fixing that.
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Your welcome! ;D And it looks better for me now.

Little bit of pent-up anger in here, huh? LOL Some funny names, there.

I hope the fandom stays strong in the next few weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if the (insert-name-of-choice-haters) toss out yet one more round of shit. They'll find some excuse, any excuse. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Anonymous said...

L.O.S.E.R.S.

Lying
Old
Sadly
Egocentric
Sluts

Anonymous said...

I have a question, and I'm sure this is where I can get an answer, When Clay went on the European holidy last year in his Blog he said he was in Prauge, now unless you were a member or on a Clay fan site, who knew he was on vacation?, yet the Gossip pages of the page six had a story of Clay supposedly at Gay bars. (which is funny because all his pictures were of churches, boy did they peg Clay all wrong) My question was who would have alerted the gossips of this false story? the story origionated on the wortsblog didn't it.

Anonymous said...

These people who continue the lies are nothing but gnats -- they do not deserve the time of day from Clay. Clay will continue with his life, his performing, and helping children all over the world. I so admire this man.

These pinhead critics, reviewers, DJs, and bloggers who pick up these lies are no better than the gnats. I do not give them my time of day either.

Cream will rise to the top -- it always does.

oneidolwoman said...

What a great variety of acronyms! And, every one of them captures the essence of the lowlifes. Keep 'em coming.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Regarding the M&Gs, there was one of tinny's crew who also met Cowell and imagined him to be "responding" to her in a flirtatious manner. She contrasted this to her meeting with Clay who didn't react to her similarly. Voila, there she established proof positive that Clay isn't into women. I must hand it to these women, they do have vivid imaginations. Wasn't there a book written by some guy entitled "He's Just Not Into You" or something like that. Recommended reading for the ex-rabid fans who fantasize about celebs falling in love with them.

January 14, 2007 4:57 PM

It could be interpreted as Clay not being into older women, or the fact that Simon for the most part, likes bimbos.

Anonymous said...

rtw said...
Like whats on this blog and also on theirs, with them getting all up in arms and saying the orchestra hired Clay for the show when that so totally was NOT true!
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And it gets reported and none of the "journalists" check it out. Like Jeff Varner put in his blog that Clay didn't let Joshua and the others sing because he wanted to perform his "longest set."

Jeff was told over and over that that is not true, there is no longer set, but he didn't check it out, or if he did, he never corrected his blog. It's still up there.

January 14, 2007 10:49 AM

That's because Varner is such a hot shot "investigative" journalist that he's too busy digging the facts out of his ass.

rtw said...

I have a question, and I'm sure this is where I can get an answer, When Clay went on the European holidy last year in his Blog he said he was in Prauge, now unless you were a member or on a Clay fan site, who knew he was on vacation?
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There are haters (there's that word again) who read different Clay boards and who are even members of the OFC.

On the disgusting 411 blog, they go to the CB all the time and copy and paste posts from there. It's not too difficult to find out things, especially from the open boards.

Anonymous said...

D.U.N.G.

Delusional unintelligent nasty goons.

rtw said...

Hacks embittered, ranting noxious ignorance anonymously and shamelessly.

Yes! The H.E.R.N.I.A.S.

"Sure looks like the H.E.R.N.I.A.S. have been here spewing their lies."

Can E.N.E.M.A.S. be far behind?

Someone please stop me before I hurt myself. :)))
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LOL!!!

So far all the choices are pretty good. I do like D.U.M.B.A.S.S. myself.

Anonymous said...

P.U.S. Positively Useless Slime

Anonymous said...

S.L.U.T.S.

Shrews
Lapping
Up
The
Shit

Anonymous said...

SOTE - Scum Of The Earth

Anonymous said...

They don't DESERVE an acronym - it would make them think they have a power which they absolutely do not have. Don't give it to them. Power is exactly what they want.

The word gnats is just fine - we all know what is meant by that in reference to these low-lifes.

I haven't been to any of their blogs. Ever.

But if what you have posted here from their most recent blog is indicative of the way the write all the time - I wonder how they would feel if their parents, spouses, or children were to ever read their hate filled words.

Anonymous said...

11:10 said
They don't DESERVE an acronym - it would make them think they have a power which they absolutely do not have. Don't give it to them. Power is exactly what they want.

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I agree. I hate to be a wet blanket but fun and satisfying though it is, I also hate to see us get down to their level. I think just turning over their rock and exposing them to the light of day is the best thing.

foreverfan said...

I'm not sure how I feel about fighting Clay's battles. I'm not even sure that he would want that, but the blogs...like this one, that amazingly recall all the happenings, the twists, the quotes and FACTS...never get passed the fans! The fans are'nt running this info to the news and the media sites. I believe for the most part, the fans respect Clay's turning a deaf ear and they know to not do what he would not want. What a powerful man that Clay Aiken is! He has the power to even control the lives of people who hate him! He can keep his name in the news and get the most hits on lycos, you tube and lots of sites that count hits for ratings. He topples TV ratings when he is on as well. He can even take the attention from the winning Idol on finals night..just because people of all walks, even those who HATE him...can't stop watching, searching and reporting. In a way, the haters have created a bigger monster than the fans! All the work they do looking for crap, joining his fan club, googling his name etc has helped make him quite an icon of sorts. They even do it in the name of the Claymates, making all those hits for Clay. Interesting isn't it?
I always try to remember the phrase "never spit in the wind." Clearly, karma...or what ever your choice of definition may be, it will always come back in your face. The truth will somehow prevail. Evil never wins.

Anonymous said...

I'm a new fan of Clay Aiken. I was trying to find out why people seem to "fuck" with his celebrity, but then it came to realization why. The man can sing. He is actually talented. What else was, the fact he makes it known he isn't part of Hollywood. He uses his celebrity for good ways and inspires people. I think if he weren't talented, he wouldn't be such an issue; along with the fact he does a lot for people. I think it's ignorant. I support this blog 100% and the opinions placed.

nighthawk said...

There are a few comments in the older blog entry that I think some people may have meant to post in this newer one. If you don't see your comment, you may want to go check and maybe repost.

Anonymous said...

A possible shorthand name for those who work so hard to undermine Clay Aiken.

C.H.U.M.

Creepy (or crazed)
Hateful
Underground/-handed
Manipulators

Shark fishermen often throw a few buckets of nasty smelling chum (bloody fish parts) into the ocean as bait.

Any time there is a story about Clay Aiken, the C.H.U.M. dumping begins, baiting the media and the public. Chum is foul and useless. It's not even real food, but the sharks are driven into a frenzy anyway. Attracted by the illusion of a meal, they are hooked.

WRU-WRU-WRU said...

Perez Hilton is going after Kelly Clarkson. Looks like no one is safe.

Anonymous said...

There have been so many times when these gnats have been the ones feeding misinformation to the blogs and tabloids, and also to other people.

Remeber the Pure Fashion incident? Where they pretended to be "concerned citizens" regarding Clay's "scandals"? I hope I can find the screencaps I saved of that time period, because these very same people were conspiring and emailing and congratulating each other and mocking Clay and the fans. Like you said in your blog, with forethought and malice with the intent to defame. And in this case it actually had an impact on his livlihood (though since it was for a cause his fee was probably zero or very low).

What human filth these people are.

Anonymous said...

anon at 10:27

Good one!

Noteworthycauses said...

Not sure how this comment ended up in the earlier blog post, but I'll repost it here, as requested:

Thanks for improving the blog format. This discussion deserves to be as readable as possible.

To your list of "misogyny" and "ageism", please consider adding "sexual prejudice". Article here. In this article, Dr. Gregory Herek writes:

Scientific analysis of the psychology of antigay attitudes will be facilitated by a new term. Sexual prejudice serves this purpose nicely. Broadly conceived, sexual prejudice refers to all negative attitudes based on sexual orientation, whether the target is homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual. Given the current social organization of sexuality, however, such prejudice is almost always directed at people who engage in homosexual behavior or label themselves gay, lesbian, or bisexual (Herek, 2000).

...and toward people who are merely perceived to be gay.

When society labels people according to sexual stereotypes, it antagonizes the individual's freedom of self-identity. The public tolerance of prejudice and harassment reveals the continual bashing of Clay Aiken to be a deeper societal issue. I believe Clay's situation is a direct reflection of sexual prejudice and stereotyping in our culture made worse by the shameful deterioration of media ethics and journalistic integrity.

It's sad that the destructive hatred of a few can influence the credulous opinions of so many. More than sad. It's wrong.

neveradullmoment said...

Right before Sewell, at KCE they were implying they had a new tactic (beyond the usual one of encouraging the posters there to go into the stores and break Clays CDs so they couldn't be sold) and there was a lot of snickering, and one person came in announcing that "it" was done, and then they took at least one forum private? Or maybe it was the whole board, I don't remember. Could it be they were responsible for twisting and blowing that incident up to the media too and then just discovered how easy it was to plant lies and innuendo and have been escalating it ever since? Did anyone save any of those posts? Also, wasn't this psycho, Director Sandy, there then too? Wasn't she the one that organized the campaign to go into the stores and break Clays CDs?

Anonymous said...

I have never for one minute doubted that those at 411 are capable and have purposely set these rumors into place.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I have never for one minute doubted that those at 411 are capable and have purposely set these rumors into place.
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Don't forget TFH. I'm sure there are a few other scummy places they hang out as well.

Anonymous said...

They don't DESERVE an acronym - it would make them think they have a power which they absolutely do not have. Don't give it to them. Power is exactly what they want.

-

I agree. I hate to be a wet blanket but fun and satisfying though it is, I also hate to see us get down to their level. I think just turning over their rock and exposing them to the light of day is the best thing.

January 14, 2007 11:41 PM

Didn't take much convincing, when you're right you're right. But it is still fun.

Anonymous said...

Man, they really are obsessed freaks aren't they? They just can't stop talking about Clay and all the ways they want to bring him down. I went over there to look.

Recent quotes
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wonder if the globe has received the story of the kid who was kicked off the stage and couldn't sing at the greensboro show....might be a good follow up for this article.
relacore | 01.13.07 - 10:58 pm | #
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(referring to the security screening for the presidential commission)

There was no such thing done on him for that Presidential committee
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Most likely not. I really think the President should do a background check on him. I feel very uncomfortable with Clay on that committee with all these allegations coming out about him. Just don't seem proper. Maybe we should make our concerns known to the president.
Mucinex | 01.15.07 - 3:49 am | #
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Obviously they can't go a day or a moment without trying destroy Clay and convince people how horrible he is (even if that is based on their own sicko rantings). If that's not obsessed, I don't know what is, only its in an evil way.

Somewhere along the way they have forgotten that he is a real human being with a life and feelings and hopes and dreams (dreams they are trying to crush).

Anonymous said...

MAN, those are some seroiously screwed op people...Do they forget that they created most of those "things" coming out about him? i used to read there for a laugh(I know, not funny but more like the car wreck syndrome), because they're delusions were kinda shocking, but after a while thy got down right SCARY. and they are getting to a point of criminal. thier next step is what. acting on thier Hate? will there be a point where ruining him isn't enough? some of them....I'd be scared of.

SecurityClearanceAdmin said...

"(referring to the security screening for the presidential commission)

There was no such thing done on him for that Presidential committee
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Most likely not. I really think the President should do a background check on him. I feel very uncomfortable with Clay on that committee with all these allegations coming out about him. Just don't seem proper. Maybe we should make our concerns known to the president.
Mucinex | 01.15.07 - 3:49 am | #"

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Clay had a thorough background check done on him for the committee. Take a look at the requirements to be on a Presidential appointee.

Get your eyes checked, haters.

Anonymous said...

9:24
Get your eyes checked, haters.
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But, but, but, but ... it's so much more FUN to make shit up and pretend like it's true!!!!

*snerk*

Anonymous said...

They are back on the web-cam fakes.
They have striped Clay all the way down to his underwear trying to figure out every little thing about them. Still trying to make people believe those obvious shots are not fake. They are disgusting anal slugs. Taking to themselves about it, trying to convince themselves.

Truth Rules said...

That was supposed to be Boston, right?

It's so much more convenient to disregard the fact that a reporter and photographer from the News & Observer was traveling from NYC to Boston with Clay.

They don't ever let the truth get in the way of a lie.

Anonymous said...

You know, the funny thing is that it doesn't matter if the webcam shots are real or fake - they prove nothing. The headless torso one, of course, is just a joke, especially given how horribly skinny Clay was at that time. And the others -- even if they were real, which most people think they're not, and even Clay has said they're fake -- even IF they were real, they prove .... what? That Clay had an online conversation with someone? BFD. I have them all the time. Maybe it was with management, maybe it was with Kristy .. who the hell knows? They've been given this huge importance and they are nothing other than made-up "evidence" to prove a fictional story.

(Plus I think it's been pretty well proven they are fake to start with.)

It's so interesting to trace all this "scandal" and find out it boils down to the same few prople spilling their irrational obsession, fixation, craziness, and hate on the internet. I think I might even call them "intense." ;-)

Love the Green Eyes said...

Pathetic, lonely, social outcasts with nothing but their own sad reflections in the mirror everyday is all those 'things' have. They can't be called people because they aren't.

They think that the Pure Fashion Show fiasco hurt Clay financially? Nope. Not one bit.

They are still hooked on the Boston Wyndham hotel? BWAH! I guess they never checked the REAL facts then. Don't know who they 'think' stayed there, but I can assure you that Clay didn't. He and a few others were moved from that hotel. That is a fact!

Oh well, glad to see that they are liars since they claim they can't stand him, yet they pay more attention to him than anyone does. But their days are definitely numbered. ;)

I don't listen to them.... said...

QUOTE
"They are back on the web-cam fakes.
They have striped Clay all the way down to his underwear trying to figure out every little thing about them. Still trying to make people believe those obvious shots are not fake. They are disgusting anal slugs. Taking to themselves about it, trying to convince themselves."


That's it for them isn't it. thet's thier MONEY SHOT so to speak, thier badly chopped photos that look more like 3 fan photos taken as he walks by them to the bus, chopped and pasted on a hotel background.It is what they hold on to, to try to force thier belief and that is their truth.
I'm no expert but even I could tell how bad they(the pictures) were. and the source being NE.( and most likely one of them) BWAH! that's all they have now, they keep trying to convince people that don't care to be convinced. and they are laughed at. but they try. Clay says it's not him(or at least not him doing what they said)....I'm inclined to agree.

I am amazed at the lengths they are willing to go.

Anonymous said...

They don't ever let the truth get in the way of a lie.
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Boy isn't THAT the truth! (LOL)

So many examples. Well, everything, really. The cams, the hotel, Prague (they're so stupid they never realized he only flew out of there but didn't ever stay there), the Greesnboro thing ... I could just go on and on.

I frankly don't give a flying fig whether or not they hate Clay Aiken and tell themselves lies and exaggerations to ramp up that hate. What I DO mind is them being activist about spreading their fantasy-shit into the internet and tabloids. That Globe is just a summary of JP's blog, and we know how realiable THAT was .. a hater's wet-dream filled with crap and a lazy journalist too jaded to care. B.o.o.o.r.i.n..g. If someone says something on the internet, it must be true, right? *rolls eyes* Whoever said gullible was right on the money. Unless their crap is them deliberately spreading that which they know is untrue in which case it's just unforgivably evil.

Anonymous said...

It seems the fools don't want to be called fools so rather than coming up with an acronym for them I suggest we refer to them by that which they detest.

They are nothing but a bunch of FOOLS who have nothing better to do with their time than create stories that are so far from the truth it just makes them look like bigger FOOLS.

I laugh at their stupidity, I laugh at their ineptitude. I laugh at their complete lack of facts.

They truly are the eptiome of the word FOOL.

Truth Rules said...

David Foster has been in the music business for a very long time. The Pure Fashion smear campaign may have fooled the lady involved but it obviously did not fool Foster.

After that incident Foster invited Clay to judge his Star Search and to perform at his Charity Gala. Clay's popularity got David $1,000,000.00 for his piano auction. David made it quite clear to everyone that he thinks highly of Clay and his talent.

But then, David Foster is not a gossip columnist nor a lazy journalist. He's a man of integrity and intelligence.

rwalsh said...

Apparently PH is now going after Kelly with the same kind of trash he's been spewing on Clay. OhCrap has written her thoughts on the subject. It's GREAT! Go take a look: http://clays-equalizers.blogspot.com/

Jo said...

Again, a fantastic blog Nighthawk. I don't know what has happenned to responsible journalism, but it certainly has taken a nosedive. No one wants to check their sources, so the negative comments are considered to be the truth.

Perhaps your blog will fall into the right hands, I sure hope so!

RoS said...

I think that instead of focusing on the hater's, time would be better served trying to end the use of their crap as "news". It is only going to get worse as it was just announced that TMZ is going to become it's own entertainment show, thus giving this crap a platform to continue the "dumbing down of America".

Anonymous said...

The 411 blog and tinny's are inhabited by a small but bitter group of lonely, pathetic women with vulgar mouths and no class whatsoever. They are joined by a couple of ageing gay men who can't stomach the idea of Clay enjoying a successful career. With their "boy-toy" youth gone and long, empty hours making up their days, this latter group have an inordinate amount of time to spend spreading their hate for an entertainer who has achieved great success and who enjoys the loyalty of his family along with a large fan base. The bunch of them carry on like grade-school bullies and employ their favourite technique of "name-calling" to stifle anyone who dares disagree with them. No matter what they claim to be their motive, the bottom line remains that in carrying on as obsessively as they do over Aiken,they prove that the guy still has an extremely strong hold on them emotionally. I'm sure they would like nothing more than to be "over" him but like lovestruck teens who've been dumped and similar to those with so-called "Fatal Attractions" they just can't move on.

rtw said...

The idiots at 411 are now saying they are going to notify members of the President's Council of some facts THEY (the idiots) believe the Council should know about Clay and how inappropriate it is for him to be on a council regarding children. And :)D already sent the Holliman law suit Complaint to Jeff Varner.

Out of all the idiot fools (thanks 7:55 Anon for that word), I believe :)D is the most mentally deranged one. She spends all her time either on 411 or Googling Clay. She is now posting old stories and interviews that have no relevance to anything. From what I can see, she's just a lonley, not very intellegent individual who is happy to have found a group who will accept her.

I could almost guarantee if she saw Clay live, she'd be right back in the fold.

Enough about her - she's a waste.

How dare they take it upon themselves to contact the President's Council. They really are disturbed and evil. Hopefully, the Council members will see the attempt for what it is - a bunch of Clay-hating whackos. The are so demented, it's just unbelievable - all eight or so of them.

nighthawk said...

Thanks to those of you that sent me some of the detailed info/transcipts/screencaps. They might come in handy, and I may use some of that in a later blog as well. Some pretty amazing (and incriminating) stuff. In the time being, I should be posting a new blog in the next day or two. I'm just taking my time a little bit...gathering a few things together.

oneidolwoman said...

I first happened upon the FOOLS late last year. Until this blog, I did not know who the FOOLS were. My guess was that they were unsupervised teenagers with filthy mouths and sick minds who tortured and killed small animals for "fun." I am shocked and saddened that the FOOLS are adults. How lonely they must be, especially with each other for company. What an ugly bunch!

Anonymous said...

Hopefully, the Council members will see the attempt for what it is - a bunch of Clay-hating whackos.
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Well, I know the UNICEF officials sure did. The head of the organization told people that it was "reprehensible" what some people said about Clay. He also said that he was one of their best, most dedicated and effective ambassadors. Of course that's not what the nasty, hating, fools want to hear, so they can probably twist those words to mean something entirely different, just like they do with everything else.

PS - The Tyra Banks people were on to them, too, when they tried emailing that show. Weren't they also supposedly emailing different symphonies to protest Clay being there? Looks like that worked -- NOT! There may be some intense Clay-fans out there, but they don't hold a candle to these nutbars! (many of whom, by the way, are the same age or older as the fans they mock for their age.)

nzclaynz said...

nighthawk, thanks for this blog - there needs to be a place where this stuff can all be put together in one place.

I cannot believe the stupidity of these people - they actually want to contact the President's Council - Do they really want the FBI watching their asses even closer? Idiots. I'm forever thankful that the others (besides the Pure Fashion people) saw right through their tactics. Do they really think these people are stupid? Wait, I think I know the answer to that. They think WE'RE stupid - so why not these others?... Dumbasses.

Yes these haters are FOOLS - the irony is; they can't see it for themselves - but we do; and in time, the rest of the world will also.

Anonymous said...

Eh. They're a bunch of pathetic obsessed losers. Maybe they should get a life and stop trying to destroy someone else's. Investing in a good mirror might also not be a bad idea.

They should be glad that Clay fans don't stoop to their level with this round of attacks PH is making on Kelly. If it were Clay he were targeting (or should I say whenever he does target Clay) they'd be all over it with their rants. Can you imagine how much damage Clay Nation could do if it were so inclined? Thank goodness we're better than that.

caffeinated said...

Not to mention the fact that Clay and Kelly are close friends and talk all the time. She's even stayed at his new house. I wonder if Kelly knows how obsessed and insane some of her fans are and what some are doing, or trying to do, to her friend Clay?

Hmmmmm...actually I know someone who's friends with her sister. Maybe I'll pass some of this on, just in case she's unaware of who a couple of these nuts are.

Anonymous said...

You know whats FUNNY about the hate blog???? They can call you every name in the book, yet if you say anything....even THE SAME THING back to them, they get pissy and ban you. THIS is a great blog that needs more attention! KEEP IT UP!! EXPOSE THOSE HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rtw said...

The fools on 411 have a new blog stating things that someone told to someone about how Clay is thought of in the music industry.

They put it up, stating something like they just happened to come across this info. Then down at the bottom there is a link, and it's a link to the Tin Foil site.
They sure are FOOLS.

Anonymous said...

LOL,I believe some genius on the 411 blog criticized my spelling of "ageing" in one of my earlier posts. "Ageing" happens to the the proper spelling of the word in the British and Canadian tradition. Sherlock has also pinned me as someone who posts on one of the fan boards. He/she couldn't be more wrong but I must admit I do get a chuckle when they post stuff like this because it proves how very little they do know.

rtw said...

You know whats FUNNY about the hate blog???? They can call you every name in the book, yet if you say anything....even THE SAME THING back to them, they get pissy and ban you.
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HaHa. Yeah, I've been banned from the fools' blog. I'm proud to be banned trying to expose the lies they blatently tell about Clay. It's a little frustrating at times, like when I want to correct a wrong statement they post, but I am definitely better off. It's less stressful not to argue back and forth with a bunch of evil, delusional fools, who, no matter what facts I could give them, believe what they want to believe.

I am so glad, Nighthawk, you started this blog.

I've adopted the word "fools." So a shoutout to whoever first posted it.

nighthawk said...

New blog