Friday, September 21, 2007

It's a sad, sad situation ....

This won't be a very popular blog with some Clayfans, however it is the one of the few places I can use my voice. It is a blog that will probably be of no interest to anyone other THAN fans (or perhaps a stray hater or two). It's not even a blog that will interest ALL the fans. If you're left scratching your head, consider yourself lucky. But here it is anyway.

I have not blogged in months.

I had said what I needed to for awhile, and saw no advantage at that point in time to continue to poke the hornet's nest. This is not to say that the usual demented few weren't doing their thing as usual, but they were doing a good enough job of making themselves appear hateful, ridiculous, and just plain crazy without any interference from me. In fact both of the major hate blogs seemed to be on the decline -- no one was much interested in their inane ramblings, negative Google alerts were down, and therefore I decided to keep my eyes open but let "sleeping dogs lie," so to speak. I took Clay's advice to "ignore."

Through all of this, one of the biggest dangers I could see for Clay was in the attempt of these haters, and others, to fracture Clay's fanbase. How ironic, then, as I came back to the boards after a bit of a hiatus, and while looking around this week to see the fans were doing a pretty good job of that all by themselves.

I've been wracking my brain trying to come up with a good description of my impressions, and nothing quite works. The phrases "McCarthyism," "lynch mob," "vigilante," and "witch-hunt" have all been used, but none are quite right (even though, from my perception, the tenor of the actions they convey is pretty accurate). Perhaps saying something about the "fan police" might be another way of getting at what I want to express ... but that's not quite right either. Maybe I could say something about the "red scares" in American history wherein dire voices warned a frightened public about a "cancer" growing in their schools, their workplaces, maybe even next-door .. further frightening people and causing them to look upon their neighbors with fear and suspicion.

Perhaps I could talk about Communist China, and a socio-political obligation to inform on each other, which could then lead to accusations, public shaming, and re-education. Or maybe I could use, as an example, a radical, fundamentalist church (of any religion) in which failure to follow the accepted dogma leads to shunning, ostracizing, and excommunicating. The human impulses behind each of these kinds of coercive group thoughts and actions are what I am trying to describe. Abuse of power; promotion of fear and suspicion; intimidation; single mindedness; peer pressure; guilt-tripping; self-righteousness; arrogance of point of view; determination to act without full knowledge.

But here's the thing. We are talking about a fan community for a singer! We are not talking about the government, or religion, or real life-and-death matters ... yet for some it's being treated as such. Not only that, but we see a few fans who have set themselves up as the "leaders" in an attempt to "out" people that they feel have violated one of the fandom's "ten commandments": Clay would never talk to a fan, and thou shalt not believe any who say otherwise.. Yes, that's the big sin -- believing one has talked to him or believing someone who said they had. Yes, an eye-roll moment. First of all, I have to wonder if whoever "wrote" that commandment ever discussed it with Clay, or if it's only based on an assumption.

Second, every celebrity in the world probably has impostors, and they are no doubt out there, but it is not the end of the world. Also, while it is no doubt stupid and perhaps pathological to actually impersonate said celebrity or an acquaintance of said celebrity, and sad if someone falls for it, rather than cause havoc in a fandom already having some difficulties, it is definitely an issue that could be rectified without blaring trumpets, posturing, and chest beating. Do we put those (many) fans who claim to have befriended Clay's mother or one of his family members under the same microscope, or do they get a pass because everyone wants to believe their "insider info" ... which is often wrong.

Rather than handle this quietly, informing people who need to know that they may have been "duped," it has been blown out of proportion, placed on the Internet, and taken on a proportion that far exceeds its danger ... possibly hurting innocent people in the process.

So, anyway, here's how it works, as far as I can see. Fans are directed to "confess" their involvement to an individual who has placed herself on a pedestal as the chief crusader and inquisitor (I will not be naming any names). She will then get it to the "proper authorities." If they do not confess they are interrogated, shunned and shamed ... at least if anyone assumes they were "part of," or an "unconfessed" victim of, this "evil scheme" to delude the gullible with "fake Clays." (I know -- it sounds insane.)

Anyone who dares to question the wisdom of this inquisitor or her minions is humiliated and harassed, while peer pressure puts on the thumbscrews to force that desired confession. They do not see the crazy in what they are doing, in fact they are very sure of the righteousness of their position. Which makes it so sad. Because I do believe they feel they are acting in Clay's best interest, or in the best interests of the fandom. But in my opinion they are not. They are causing fractures and grief. Not to mention the fact that if these fan investigations expose even one minor truthful contact, then they have butted into Clay's personal life.

Furthermore, do they not even bother to question hidden agendas and possible motives of those doing the "accusing?" Using the Salem witch trials as a model, and looking at it from a distance in time, we can see that it was those who supported a certain minister that did the accusing-- those who supported a different minister were the accused; the East half of the town stood in opposition to the West, one accusing the other; accusations were made against unpopular women; long standing jealousies were given a voice; people lied. Yet at the time the courts thought they were acting in the community's best interest, and didn't fully question the testimony they heard. It tore the community apart and resulted in several unnecessary deaths. Ironically, the only way to escape death one's self was to confess and name others in the process. Granted, we are talking about issues vastly different in scale and effect, but the underlying human behaviors are the same, in my opinion.

To be clear, I have no objections to letting people know about "impostors," if and when they exist. I have no problem with clearing up misconceptions about Clay that a "fake Clay" may have helped to spread. I do object to the methodology, to one small group of fans setting themselves up as the judges and juries of the fandom, for acting unilaterally without the "authority" of either the fandom at large, or of the person they claim to be defending. (Didn't he say IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE?) I also object to making it a public spectacle, especially with the intent to injure others, without respect to what the reality of those other lives may be, and upon "knowledge" that is not complete.

Wrong pictures of fans have already been publicly posted and wrong identifications and accusations made, and yet it's glossed over or not discussed. There are so many uncertainties. What if there are multiple "fake Clays?" And what if one or more fans actually do know or talk to Clay? Do any of you know Clay personally, to make that determination? If you do, then .. oops .. catch 22, huh?. Maybe it's not an either/or situation. Does anybody really know? Or are they basing so much of their outrage on assumptions, gossip, and partial truths? When a mob mentality exists, many believe and act without truly thinking. What is at the root of this obsession? How is this good for the fandom? How is this fun? Is this crusade worth abandoning reason, compassion, and objectivity for? Many questions, I know, but I have them.

In a final irony, I believe these vendettas play right into the haters' hands and wishes. They provide the obssessive fan stereotype for the for the obsessive haters to mock and the fans to defend, and the beat goes on ... the audience grows, the potential damage to Clay worsens.

To conclude, there is one verse I know that keeps coming to mind. First, this core group of individuals exposed the real-life identities of some of the "haters." Some objected, but many cheered. I confess to being one. They then exposed the real-life identities of people they determined were "bad fans." More people began to object, but still many cheered. Now they are exposing identities of people they claim have said they talked to, or know, Clay. Now only a few are cheering. Who's next .. anyone who doesn't subscribe to their image of what a fan should be? A fan who doesn't observe Clay Aiken with proper reverence (his real-life humanity be damned)? Any fan who disagrees with their dogma? Yes, more questions, but I believe they need to be considered.

And so I'll leave with this verse, written about something far more serious, but it seems apropos somehow:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


I feel the need to speak out.

96 comments:

Anonymous said...

Glad to have you back even though I disagree with this blog. You writing it is also causing friction in the fandom so you are actually no better than the fans you are condeming.

nighthawk said...

I didn't publish the very long comment about JP and his retraction .. not that it's not important, but it's just not a topic for this blog and I don't want to make that discussion the focal point.

Anonymous said...

BRAVO to your blog. I totally agree. Two wrongs don't make a right.

just a lurker said...

I totally agree with your blog and adds a lot of food for thought for those that are open minded. There are many Clay Aiken fans that opt out of joining fan clubs and message board for the very reasons that you pointed out in your blog. Then there are many like myself that enjoy Clay Aiken's talent as a singer/entertainer - but who are too busy with our own personal lives, work, family and friends to really care what Clay Aiken does in his own personal life. I don't know him, and never will - any more than any other performer that I enjoy. So whether some think he's a saint that walks on water or the devil incarnate – it doesn’t change the talent nor change the minds of those who don’t care about any of the gossip or innuendo.

Anonymous said...

I absolutely agree with your post and have had many of the same thoughts.

Part of the problem within this fandom is the idea that in order to be a fan of Clay the singer you must also be a fan of Clay the Man. Not that there is anything wrong with Clay the Man. Au contraire.

The problem is that their Clay the Man is a construct who has been stripped of his flaws and therefore of some of his humanity. He can't be criticized or second guessed. His judgment is always correct. He always knows what he is doing. He has titanium balls and a heart of gold.

Don't get me wrong. I think Clay is a wonderful person. He seems to be genuinely good. He's self deprecating, funny, generous, and loyal. I think his religious beliefs are sincere. I don't care about his particular beliefs because I don't share them. I appreciate that he is not a hypocrite, however. Even though I think he's a great guy I don't think he is immune from mistakes, bad judgments, moments of stupidity or a thousand other very human foibles. I doubt he sees himself as perfect, either.

And heaven forbid the sexuality question. I happen to believe that he is straight. But if I didn't -- if I thought "gee, he might be gay" -- would that mean I couldn't be fan? To some, the answer to that question is yes, which I find ridiculous. To some, that would mean I did not "believ" him, and so I couldn't be a fan of him or of his voice.

I do know people -- fans -- who think he is gay. That doesn't mean they believe the lies spouted by John Paulus, that ridiculous piece of slime.

These fan vigilantes are scary. They are also energizing JP, who finally has someone else to talk to besides the voices in his head.

Anonymous said...

It sounds like you are doing exactly what you are condemning the other fans of doing.

Anonymous said...

What I find so interesting is the "fans" who agree with this despicable article you've written, Nighthawk. Did they find out about this from jp's blog (it hasn't hit Chexxy's yet)? When did you go over to the darkside? When you couldn't get your point across at Chexxxy's? I think you have a LOT of explaining to do!

ZuZusPetals said...

Go dude! Love your blog,

Anonymous said...

Nighthawk, glad to see you blogging again, even though I disagree with you. Using the internet to destroy a person's reputation is not a matter of fans choosing to believe one sexual orientation over another. Passing yourself off as a celebrity to give out ugly lies about a person is pretty low. Why not expose it? The things this creep has been passing around are not just "not nice", they are horrible. It will affect his ability to earn a living if it keeps up.

nighthawk said...

5:55 --
Do you not see that your comment is a PERFECT example of what I was addressing in this blog?

Anonymous said...

anon 5:59... who died and made chexxxy god? Thank goodness she isn't running our government! Whatever the story, she's crazy. I see an obsessed fan when I read her blog, actually. I think this blog here is right on. Isn't this guy a singer? People are obsessed!

Anonymous said...

I personally did not find this through JP's site, which seems to be the implication from anonymous 5:55.

Here's the deal:

John Paulus is a lying scumbag. He's also nuts.

Chexxxy is more rational, but I'm not sure she's less nuts nor am I certain she is less of a scumbag. Well, probably she is. But it's a close call.

Clay doesn't want his private life discussed. He doesn't want it to be fan fodder. Chexxxy, by allegedly showing up some imposters (fake gfs, fake babies, fake Clays) thinks she is showing he's a stand up guy. But really she's also probing into the details of his private life, too -- just from a different angle.

Moreover, she and her buddies are trying to call out the behavior of other fans (not just imposters) who don't live up to their standards of what a good Clay fan should be. Who died and made any of them the authority in the first place?

So. They have a wall of shame. They trash other fans. Post their photos. Interestingly, most of those who post at Chexxxy's board do so under different names than they use on other boards. Why?

Well, why does a Klansman wear a sheet?

Anonymous said...

I agree with every word you said! Some members of this fandom can certainly go way overboard in their constant attempts to "help" Clay. The only reason John Paulus isn't long gone by now are the over-invested, insane fans who just can't stop picking at the scab! None of that crap is any of our business, people! Time to move on and enjoy Clay as the gifted singer/entertainer he is!

Anonymous said...

Well nighthawk, jp is real happy with your blog, not so much with Chexxxy's.

What does that tell you?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:00. Brilliant response. No need to say more than that.

Anonymous said...

"Well nighthawk, jp is real happy with your blog, not so much with Chexxxy's.

What does that tell you?

"

I'm not nighthawk, but it tells me that Chexxxy should be very proud of herself for starting this whole thing. "Idiot" is how I see her. All she did was fuel the fire, and now the other dirtbag gets to watch the fans fight. Thanks Chexxxy. For nothing.

Anonymous said...

Who are you hiding Nighthawk?

So I guess whatever damage to Clay Aiken is okay?

You dissappoint me.

Anonymous said...

JP loves you! I think that says it all.

Anonymous said...

Chexxxy tells the truth and wants to help Clay. Something that many cannot handle.

Anonymous said...

Nighthawk what you are condoning is the smear campaign against Clay.
I would think you would want to help Clay. Wonder what you have a stake.

Anonymous said...

If the fandom is fractured you are not helping things with this blog.

JP, that man that has caused Clay Aiken so much misery, agrees with you.

You must be so proud.

Anonymous said...

So I guess whatever damage to Clay Aiken is okay?

You dissappoint me.

September 22, 2007 10:45 PM

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Clay Aiken is a 28 year old MAN. He is more than capable of taking care of himself and has basically told everyone in the fandom that he doesn't need or want our help. Why won't you do as he asks?

You disappoint me.

Anonymous said...

So it's f*ck Clay! When did Clay stop being human and become only a singer. Clay doesn't deserve what he has been through for the last two years.

I applaud Chexxxy and her courage.

Anonymous said...

JP loves you! I think that says it all.

September 22, 2007 10:48 PM

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JP loves you, too. Why, you ask? Because you and those like you are the ones who keep him so well fed.

Anonymous said...

Go Nighthawk!
A photo was put up and identified as being of someone who claimed to be Clay's girlfriend, posing with a Clay fan.
Then it was determined that it was not the right photo - a mistake. The girl was not involved. And the Clay fan? The one who was positively identified by CHexxy herself? Ooops!

So the "right" photo was put up, another girl, with some of the same information.
Then a third girl was identified as having posed as Clay's girlfriend. And she used the same screen name as the first one - the one who was an innocent teen, misidentified.

On Chexxy's board, people are posting to "Trust Chexxy, she's not wrong, she knows what she's talking about."
OK - But she's making mistakes. How can anyone say they know she's right?

If anyone disagrees, they are accused of being part of the scam. If anyone says they aren't sure this is the right way to deal with the situation, they're accused of being someone else, of being in cahoots with the imposters, of contributing to JP's blog.

People are asked if they know anything, if they have any info, to contact Chexxy with it. Because she will pass it along to Clay. REALLY? THe REAL Clay?

Anonymous said...

For evil to pervail, it only takes good people to do nothing.

caviar said...

Perhaps, you emerged from hiatus prematurely. Notwithstanding the melodramatics of your superfluous analogies, you are poorly versed in the particulars of circumstance essential to form an intelligent conclusion in this instance.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it funny how no follower of Chexxxxxy ever admits that she makes mistakes? (Well, then that would be like admitting she could be wrong about other things). And no follower of Chexxxxy admits that her crusade has fanned the flames of JP? Nope. It is always someone else's fault.

I find it very funny that the Chexxxy people come here and prove the point of this blog. If you don't agree with the tactics, you are harassed, intimidated, and said to be a bad fan!

Anonymous 11:26, yes, of course chexxxy will pass it on to the real Clay. She is the only fan with the ability to detect real Clay from Fake Clay.

Anonymous said...

http://fanpoliceexposed.blogspot.com

Very interesting. It seems maybe more people are getting sick of what Chexxxy is doing?

Anonymous said...

To do nothing to expose the back channel character assassination of a good man like Clay would be wrong. While I don't know for sure what is the best way to go about it, I am grateful that the Fake Clay and the fake girlfriends are being exposed.

It saddens me that fans have been duped.They, for whatever reason, allowed themselves to bbelieve the unbelievable. They chose an illusion instead of the fine, upright person Clay really is.

While Clay is not a perfect human being I am sick to death of those who entertain themselves by trying to sound like critical thinkers and who feel the need to psychoanalyze his every move.

I am sick to death of those who use hyperbole and accuse others of thinking he is Clesus just because we choose to celebrate his many accomplishments and talents and oppose those who want to discuss "the possiblities" which have no foundation.

I believe Clay Aiken PERIOD. That is because NOTHING he has said or done has ever shown him to be other than what he has said he is.

Perhaps, Nighthawk, you know some fans who were taken in by the Fake Clay. Maybe even you yourself were one of those who was a victim of the scam. If so, I would hope you would pass along any information you have.

I do not think anyone should be accused of anything without proof. However, if there is prooof of wrongdoing, I would hope what can be done will be done to rectify the situation.

Anonymous said...

What's truly insane is how CHexxy and gang keep patting themselves on the back for being morally right, and standing up for injustice.

Anonymous said...

I'm very impressed by your blog. I agree with everyting you said! Great to find a link to another amazing blog!

Its so sad to see fans attacking other fans in this way.

Anonymous said...

Nighthawk, is your name Sarah?

Anonymous said...

Even if this is true (which it is not) Clay Aiken is still a human being with feelings. He doesn't deserve this treatment at all.

Anonymous said...

Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
I feel the need to speak out.


Finally! And I thought you chose to ignore.

And will you speak out for Clay when he can't speak out? Where have you been for 20 months? Had your head buried in the sand? That sure helped, didn't it?

As far as "ignoring" goes, let's remind ourselves that the ignoring suggestion only applied to his fanclub MB. Clay Aiken is not our god and does not order my life or my activity on the Internet. But I will respect his rules when I'm in his "house."

This MESS didn't begin with any one person. It's been going on since day one. You and I just didn't see it then. Until you've had your picture, and personal info and that of your children posted on a porn blog, don't advise me how I should react. You have no idea what some fans have been subjected to and some things just can't be ignored any longer.

Was Clay ignoring Perez on Feb. 1 through his scandal blog? No, because sometimes enough is enough. And if someone doesn't step up and do something to stop it, there will be nothing left. I say thank god the time has finally come when someone is doing something.

I'm not sure what it is you want, or disagree with so vehemently, but it's obvious you're not fully informed of everything that's been going on. Laws are being violated and we should ignore? The FBI has been contacted and you want us to ignore? You want those who have been vocal to now shut up so your voice can be heard. Is that it? Isn't that the same thing you're accusing others of doing, only in reverse?

Here's the deal. If you don't like JP's blog, you don't read it. If you don't like Chexxxy's blog, then you don't read it. If I don't like your blog, then I won't read it. Neither you or I need anyone else to make those decisions for us. But the so-called crazy fans are at it again. Now, instead of board wars, we'll have blog wars. We're so predictable!!

It's rather interesting to me that two new blogs began tonight. It's further interesting that one had their link on JP's blog and that one led to this one, and both are against the same person JP is fighting and you want us to also be against her? Is that to help Clay or JP?

I think you know who I'll choose.

Anonymous said...

WHAT are you people hiding? You must be involved with JP, fake GF and Fake Clay.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Nighthawk, you are JP's hero!

You must be so proud. You should have stayed on hiatus!

Anonymous said...

So Chexxxy's info is correct, you are just upset that she is exposing it

Anonymous said...

I don't care if anyone was duped or talked to the Fake Clay and is carrying his baby.

I DO CARE that this shit has energized the prick over at the swamp.

Why can't people leave well enough alone for God's sake.

He had a few minions still there but now it's like freaking 2006 all over again.

For that, I blame Chexxxy and her clan.

nighthawk said...

So, Chexxy's attack dogs are out in full force, I see. I never mentioned her name in my blog, but guess I don't have to, since you all have done that.

First of all, I would like to thank those who have proved the point of this blog.

Second, I am responsible for no blog but this one, and I posted the link nowhere. You can believe it or not, I don't care. I do not answer to Chexxy, unlike many of you, apparently. I also do not give JP enough power to let him control what I say or do not say. I don't care if he likes what I say or not -- my world does not revolve around him. I did, however, find the other blog very interesting reading. I had no idea about the depths to which this element of the fandom had degenerated, and the extremes to which it would go to secure its power.

Third, Chexxy's truth is not my truth. No, I do not her believe her information is complete, or 100% true. I believe her truth to be at least partially based on assumptions and selective evidence. She's already gotten parts of it wrong.

Fourth, you have no idea what I do know. But I will tell you this much: I am not involved with any "fake" girlfriend, Clay, Raleigh, Durham, or anyone else you can probably think of, "schemes." I don't really care if you believe me or not, but all the hysteria and finger pointing is just ridiculous ... and again proves the point of my blog.

Fifth, if you would have bothered to read my blog instead of having a knee-jerk reaction because I disagreed with your master, you would have noticed that it is her methodology to which I am opposed, not informing anyone who may have been taken in. I can see that, for the Chexxy-ites, if one doesn't believe their version of reality, one must be against Clay. Riiiight! I believe Chexxy's methods are ultimately far more damaging to Clay's reputation than a professional and quiet handling of this all would have been, not to mention dividing the fanbase in the process. What's in it for Chexxy to do that, since it certainly doesn't help Clay, it fuels JP, and it blasts accusations about Clay all over the internet? You know good and well tabloids don't care about accuracy .. the accusation is enough to get them going while they make something up to go with the story. The vast majority of people in the fandom had never heard about any of it, so why publicize it at all? Why not just deal with it on those boards which were affected, and not drag the whole fandom and Clay into it? It's not a big enough problem. Sorry, but it's not ... well, at least not until some of you made it one.

Sixth, I frankly think Chexxy and her minions are responsible for as much of the fracturing of this fanbase as JP. They think they are "helping" Clay, but they are not. Someday they will see that. I do see all the referrals from JP's blog on my sitementer. I can tell you that I now have at least ten times as many referrals from there as I did when someone would link my blog over there a few months ago, and those blogs were far more relevant to his site than this one. His traffic has grown, especially in the past week or so I'd imagine. And why do you think that is? It is because of YOU, Chexxy and crew. You can bluff and bluster and attack anyone and everyone who disagrees with you, but that does not change that fact. YOU are in good part responsible for this man who harrasses Clay on a daily basis .. for 20 months, now. He is mentally ill, in my opinion, and all your goading only serves to ramp him up. He gets off on it, or don't you see that by now? But this blog is not about him, so enough about that.

Anonymous said...

I'm so glad you spoke out. This is a very accurate description of what is going on. And it's a bonus that you managed to get your points across without making nasty comments and accusations and using generalizations.

Thanks, and I hope you keep blogging.

Anonymous said...

Nighthawk,
I have to tell you that I have always been a fan of your blogs and one reason was that you always had proof to back up what you were saying.

Not this time though. I am really disappointed in you and this blog. You said:

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I did, however, find the other blog very interesting reading. I had no idea about the depths to which this element of the fandom had degenerated, and the extremes to which it would go to secure its power.
Unquote

What you are doing here is taking the word of that poster on the "Fan Police" blog and I can tell you it is full of lies.

Nobody answers to Chexxxy as you say. Everybody there is allowed to speak their minds...not be sensored like they were children the way they do on other boards.

The only thing that Chexxxy asks of the members is to respect Clay's right to identify himself and I admire her for that. Clay is respected on that board but you can't say that about some of the other fanboards.

Nighthawk I say this sincerely that you should make sure of your facts like you always have in the past before posting things that are absolutely not true and painting someone in a bad like that absolutely does not deserve it.

Anonymous said...

As a fan so obviously on the outside that I have never been to the swamp or to Chexxxy's or heard rumors about special Clay/fan relationships, this is what I got from Chexxxy's blog. There is a fake Clay who has duped two message boards and this has been confirmed by them. There were two women pretending to be Clay's girlfriends, one of whom posted that she was the mother of Clay's babies. These women have also been proved to be lying. These are terrible things. I don't know anything about Salem witch trials, communisim, or McCarthyism. Those insights must come from far deeper access to the back story than I ever expect to have or want. To me, it seems that the reactions to the posts are far more complex than the posts themselves warrant.

Anonymous said...

Chexxy started her blogs about this by quoting an email from JP.
If she had just talked about the "Fake Clay" and exposed that scam, it would not have generated so much attention from JP. But she began this with JP. As a result, JP's blog, which had been pretty dead, has hundreds of posts each day.
And why were Chexxy and JP emailing each other? Why did she drag him into this at the start, and then leak out little bits of info at a time, promising that the next installment will answer questions?

Nighthawk, whoever you are, you called it right. Anyone who questions the methods of Chexxy and her gang is accused of being guilty in this scheme. Look at some of the comments above, that say if JP posted here, you must be in league with him. But - JP posts on Chexxy's blog as well, and she on his.

They are naming fans, accusing them, and if they're shown to be wrong, well, too bad, it was all done in the name of protecting Clay, so mistakes are OK if the intentions are good.
They act as if they are doing all this with Clay's approval. Everything we've known about Clay says that he would NEVER endorse this kind of thing.

nighthawk said...

Just a couple of points of clarification.

11:17 -

I wasn't even aware of the other blog until a day or so after I published mine, so my blog is in no way predicated on that information. My blog is a result of my OWN knowledge, observation, and information. Reading the other one simply adds a depth to this that I was unaware of. Quite honestly, it fits.

Also, if my understanding is correct, the board that other blog is speaking of is a small private one, not the larger Chexxxy's board.

11:37-

I, too, have read those blogs. I seen a picture of someone's house posted on the internet (can you say STALKER ?) How did they get that picture other than by stalking this girl? How creepy!! Do you really not see that?

I have seen pictures of fans (two of which had to be removed because they involved pictures of a mis-identified underage girl.) Yet Chexxxy knows all right? I have seen allegation, photos of alleged "scammers," a couple of screencaps, anonymous OTT "confessional" posts on an internet blog, and lots of mud-slinging. I have also seen lots of indication that there is, indeed, a "cult of Chexxy."

I said it before and I'll say it again - I'm not opposed to people involved in this being informed, but there is no need to broadcast it and involve Clay's #1 stalker. I also am opposed to the way it is done publicly via internet stalking and intimidation. As someone posted upthread, two wrongs don't make a right. Finally, I do not believe Chexxy knows as much as she thinks she does.

Anonymous said...

Your blog rawks!

Anonymous said...

Keep the truth coming and thanks! I think many support what you are doing and your blogs have been helpful to all especially this one. What an eye opener. Explains a great deal to me.

Anonymous said...

- - -There were two women pretending to be Clay's girlfriends, one of whom posted that she was the mother of Clay's babies. These women have also been proved to be lying. These are terrible things. - - -

You do know that initially, there was another girl's photo posted, right? Identified as Jenn/balletskater. Chexxy said she was the girl who was claiming to be Clay's pregnant girlfriend, and the other person in the photo was a Clay fan.
Chexxy's people went to this girl's myspace page, they were looking into her friends, her activites, etc. Posting about her, taking Chexxy's word that she was a scammer.
But then Chexxy took the photo off, and posted a different girl's photo. This new girl is Balletskater, she says.
And then a third girl, also supposedly a fake girlfriend.

She was wrong on the first one - very wrong. The girl was not involved, and the woman with her was not the fan Chexxy said she was. Did that stop anything?

Chexxy's posting of these photos is being defended because "these women did terrible things." Maybe. But maybe not. The first photo was wrong. How do you know the others are right?

Anonymous said...

John is clinically insane.

Anonymous said...

"John is clinically insane."
_________________________________

Yes! And sadly, so is this Chexxxy chick!!!

justme said...

nighthawk - I've been watching this mess for awhile and I have to say that I agree with you.

If there are fake Clay's running around the internet making Clay look bad... if people are being asked for money to support "Clay's girlfriend," then THAT needs to stop.

As far as the stuff that happened on Bolt - that group of people took action on their private board. There is no reason for Cheexy to get involved.

But this isn't about fake Clays and fake girlfriends as much as it is about Cheexy wanting to prove that JP is a liar.

If in her mind she does that, then she will be the REAL Clay's hero.

The first problem is, the majority of Clay's fans that read anything JP writes KNOW he is full of shit. We don't need Cheexy to tell us that.

The second problem is, Cheexy has been wrong in the past about people. It has nothing to do with JP, but I KNOW for a fact that she has spread lies about other people on her private board, because one of them is a friend of mine.

Third, Clay doesn't need one little band of fans engaging a stalker on his behalf. It really only does add fuel to the insanity fire that's been burning for over a year and a half.

Anonymous said...

I feel the need to speak out.

This is the last line in nighthawk's blog. I just finished watching "Cold Case", a story about a young man who spent half his life in prison because he was accused of a crime he didn't commit. His motto was "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing."
I'm in favor of exposing the vermin who are doing their best to dirty up a good man's name. Pretending it isn't happening is a little too ostrich for me.

Anonymous said...

"Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me"

while very powerful, pales , besides this one by Edmund Burke"

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."


JMHO

Anonymous said...

Here's the deal on that whole "evil triumphs when good men do nothing"...what you are actually saying is Clay is allowing this to happen because he chooses to ignore the scum. Chexxxy and your band of cronies seem to think that puts the ball in your court. WRONG.

Clay has said time and time again that the best thing to do is to ignore this shit. WHY, WHY, WHY don't you people listen?

No matter how much you try to convince yourselves, it is not your job to speak for Clay. He isn't going to think you are the bestest fans evah for prying into his life. It is none of your business. None. You aren't going to be the one who saves him from the dickhead who lives in the swamp. Sorry to break it to you.

He's a big boy and can speak for himself, when and if he chooses.

Leave him the hell alone and let him live his life without a bunch of snoopy bitches interfering in it.

Get over yourselves, you are not that special.

Sick 2 Death said...

To ANON 7 pm. Awesomely stated.
To ANON 11:16 : You're nuts.

Clay is and will always only be a man first and foremost, then a singer. He is nothing but an average guy who has some really crazy fans. He eats, sleeps, burps, shits, and does everything every other average person does. He just happens to have a talent that people appreciate. He is a big boy, and can wipe his own ass. He doesn't need for the fans to speak, act, or do anything on his behalf. He's shown more class than all of his fans put together. Instead of uniting together for Clay, and ignoring WITH him, we are constantly backstabbing, bitching and trying to one-up one another. It's nuts. Plus, no one knows for sure who "knows" Clay. The smart ones don't say anything at all if they DO know him. All the wannabes just brag. Simple as that.
No one should be put on a pedestal just because others think they are better because they "might" know Clay or SAY they know Clay. Instead of fighting the haters and John Piggus Paulus, we fight one another. How screwed up is that?

seriously said...

How droll.
The Chexxxy minions are shrill in their defense - as was to be expected.
And their failure to see the many times that Chexxxy has not told the truth - or admit the times that they also have been known to fabricate things - shows them to be the bullies they are.

And they are proud of it.

Bullying & stalking. Posting photos. Pointing fingers. Making accusations. Condemning. Judging. Interfering. Pulling truth out of thin air at times in order to justify all the above. Patting oneself on the back for doing all this. Sneering at everyone else.

When on earth is any of THAT ^^^^
acceptable? Why - when Chexxxy or her tribe do it, of course.

And when anyone dares to say a word against this nonsense - the resulting outrage and indignation has become all too predictable.

IMO we should ignore ALL who only seek to stir the turd. JP. Chexxxy - who wants the spotlight so badly. Those who defend and support her tactics - and take part in them.

Call me crazy - and a dreamer - but I vote for less espionage and guerilla warfare. And no smug, self-appointed vigilante Fan Police - who may find that their little compound is not as private as they think it is. Just a thought, anyway.

Anonymous said...

The fact that John Paulas endorses this blog says it all.

Anonymous said...

from a shadow, at the Fan Police blog:

Nighthawk, your blog is so thought-provoking and so well-reasoned! These points, along with our own, make it crystal clear as to why Chexxxy and her gang need to pack up their spy gear and return to being ordinary fans.

We thank you for leading the way.

One other thing, the comments at 12:38 am and 4:05 am are important to read.

Anonymous said...

JP will endorse anything if he thinks it will get a rise out of the fans.

It works every time. At some point those who can't see the forest for the trees to get a grip and QUIT feeding the pig.

Guess what...had it not been for the Chexxxy blog, I wouldn't have had a clue anything was happening at the swamp.

Y'all aren't helping when you spend anytime engaging that pig. It's what he feeds on. Take the spotlight off him and he will shrivel up and die. Sooner rather than later, I hope.

Anonymous said...

" Instead of uniting together for Clay, and ignoring WITH him, we are constantly backstabbing, bitching and trying to one-up one another. It's nuts. Plus, no one knows for sure who "knows" Clay. The smart ones don't say anything at all if they DO know him. All the wannabes just brag. Simple as that."


Someone said two wrongs don't make it right. This blog was the second wrong.

Anonymous said...

"Instead of fighting the haters and John Piggus Paulus, we fight one another. How screwed up is that?"


Take a second read of this post.

Anonymous said...

"The fact that John Paulas endorses this blog says it all."

Who cares what he "endorses" or not? Why give him that much power? He has no power other than what you give to him. What we say or do should not revolve around him. He's nothing.

He is a stalker not just of Clay Aiken, but also of the fans. Follow the stalker literature and ignore him. That is not a "head in the sand" approach. It is a practical and well-advised one.

Anonymous said...

He is a stalker not just of Clay Aiken, but also of the fans. Follow the stalker literature and ignore him. That is not a "head in the sand" approach. It is a practical and well-advised one.

September 24, 2007 3:34 PM

What does ignoring the stalker have to do with exposing fake Clay
scams? STALKER injected himself into the mix just like it always does.

Anonymous said...

"STALKER injected himself into the mix just like it always does."

Chexxxy injected STALKER into this and she posted a message from him to her. WHY? WHY did she choose to engage that freak? It is not okay to engage a stalker. Read the literature on how to deal with stalkers. Chexxxy has made a bigger mess of this than was necessary. I agree, pass the information to Clay and let them handle it as they see fit. Fans are not being asked to investigate anyone by Clay or his people. It just is not happening, IMO.

observer said...

"What does ignoring the stalker have to do with exposing fake Clay
scams? STALKER injected himself into the mix just like it always does.
September 24, 2007 3:57 PM"


Good question - but ask Chexxxy. Her "something wicked" blog started with JP. Why poke at JP to expose a Clay impersonator? She never said what one has to do with the other. Maybe she will, in time. But meanwhile she sent a lot of attention JP's way.

Anonymous said...

If you had handled it BEHIND the scenes, STALKER wouldn't have known about it.

It's not rocket science, people. He reads every freaking thing he can get his hands on regarding Clay and the fans.

You had your damned private board, why couldn't it have been handled there?

You make us all look like fricking loons because you want to win this stupid game.

You can't win. Clay loses. Is that what you want?

Anonymous said...

The righteous indignation of Chexxxy and her crew makes me sick.

Shadow, I don't know who you are but this will not stop these people. They view the world in black and white. They are right, the rest of the world is wrong.

You can't fight that kind of mentality. Everytime another person from the clan is exposed, it energizes them to be even more hypervigilant in proving they are right.

They don't care that what they are doing is having a negative impact on Clay. It's all about them now.

Selfish, selfish bitches.

If they were such "good" fans, they would stop this, shut the hell up and let Clay handle it as he sees fit.

That doesn't fit their plan to save the world so don't hold your breath.

It's so out of control now, I hope Clay walks away from it all with a big Kiss My Ass on the way out.

He is the only reason I'm involved in this fandom. The rest of this shit is just ridiculous.

bewildered said...

The ULTIMATE disrespect to Clay is ignoring his own words and request,

"....I KNOW that it is much harder to ignore when someone says something about someone you care about. And, i'll tell you, I could not be more honored and more blessed to have such amazing supporters who would go to the mat for me. (As someone posted in response to my last blog: "Charlie only had three angels. [I] sure got him beat!) I thank you. But believe me when i say, "Let them call me fat. Let them call me stupid. Let them call me ugly. It doesn't make it true." Ignore them. I'll love you anyway! ;) And, eventually, they'll give up.".....

But there are some, Chexxy and her clan, that think they know better then Clay himself about what he needs and/or wants.

Myself, I take him at his word, period. He says he doesn't need defending, I believe him, as hard as that may be sometimes.

If there are people out there actually stupid enough to believe that Clay Aiken joined their board and was talking to them, then let them feel stupid.

If there is some information that it is felt Clay should have, then give it to him and let him deal with it as HE SEES FIT, it is his life and his career after all.

nighthawk said...

7:02 -

I put your comment through, but I am not Shadow, and I honestly have no idea who Shadow is. Maybe you meant your comment for the other person's blog?

Anonymous said...

If there are fake Clays out there interacting with fans - and I don't doubt that there are - the info could have been passed to TC and not been posted on the www.

IMO - most of the fake Clays have nothing to do with the swamp - it's part of Clay being a celebrity and people looking for attention.

I think that JP has used these other stories about fake Clays to fuel his psycho ire and that is all - it's all an excuse to carry on his demented story.

Maybe one of these fake Clays has IM'd with him. From looking at what he posts lately, it's hard to believe that even JP believes what he posts... who knows, who cares?

I still say that it wasn't Chexxy's place to get involved in any of this. There is no point.

Clay doesn't need fans to defend him, and IMO, none of this has "fractured" the fandom. Most fans have no idea that any of this is going on. Most fans aren't even online.

This is, at most, a twisted soap opera and means nothing in the big picture.

Anonymous said...

What's amazing to me is criminal behavior is going on in the fandom and you think Clay would want that ignored?

“There are a lot of problems with predators who pretend to be celebrities,” said Parry Aftab, executive director of wiredsafety.org, a site that provides help, safety information and education to Internet and mobile device users.

“Anybody can pretend to be anybody they want and set up a profile. MySpacers need to recognize that they are often being conned. This is illegal.”


http://www.movie-collection.com/readnews/282

Anonymous said...

Stop trying to justify what you are doing, there is no justification for it. You, Chexxxy and all the other caped crusaders are not the internet police, anon 3:10 am. If Clay cares or knows about any of this, then it's his place to deal with it, how hard is that for you to comprehend?

Why would you think that he would ever want people doing this in his name? Why would you think he would ever thank you for dragging this shit up and dragging his name through the mud again? Why would you think you have any right to interfere in his life?

Do not tell me it's because Clay hasn't said stop. That shit got old about a year ago. He isn't going to recognize, nor acknowledge, you any more than he does that scumsucking swamp dweller.

For you to think otherwise proves you all are just as delusional as JP.

Anonymous said...

For you to think otherwise proves you all are just as delusional as JP.

Oh, really. And that's because you know everything that's been going on behind the scenes? Well, honey. Think what you like but JP has been forced to go private!!

What he tried to do to that church in Kansas and it's staff was criminal. You are an enabler to sit back and allow it to occur. You should be outraged! Talk about dragging Clay's name through the mudd? Where have you been for 20 months? It couldn't get any worse.

You think it was perfectly alright to have Clay and his Aunt Joan, with a 14 yo girl on his blog with a nude man? Are you nuts?

Well, no thanks to you and your ilk, JP is off the page.

And Roger has a new job!!!!

Anonymous said...

"What's amazing to me is criminal behavior is going on in the fandom and you think Clay would want that ignored?"

And some of this criminal behavior is fan on fan harassment. Do you think Clay wants THAT ignored? Do you think Clay would approve of PM'ing and e-mailing innocent fans and accusing them of things they have not done? Do you think Clay would approve of getting peoples' personal information and contacting people outside the fandom because of their belief system, whether or not they've actually ever DONE anything or acted on that belief system?

I am a Clay fan but I think that Clay fans have as many rights as does Clay. I don't want to see Clay hurt, but I also don't want to see fans hurt. It is incorrect to assume that every fan victimized by Chexxxy deserves it.

Clay has a team of professionals that can handle his business. If I've ever had reason to believe a fan is a threat to Clay, I have contacted the admins on whatever message board I posted at and passed along what I knew. I knew that they knew how to pass along the information to someone who could do something about it. I never took matters into my own hands. That's not my job as a fan. My job as a fan is to buy Clay's CDs and see him in concert whenever I can.

Anonymous said...

Something is really fishy. JP's blog went private today. I wonder why?

Anonymous said...

2:50, it cracks me up that you think you and YOUR "ilk" are responsible for JP going private. It's been ... HOW long now? And the implication is that it's because of YOU .. 20 months later? Hmmm....Maybe posting pictures and names of church elders on the internet might've had something to do with it? Or maybe he's just scheming something. Guess we'll see. Or you will, since I won't be giving him the pleasure of my attention.

Are you going to take credit for Roger getting a new job, too?

Anonymous said...

I have to post here again, because that's just how I am.

For those that are jumping up and down about all of the crap thrown at Clay, I have to say/ask -

Why are you SO invested in Clay's career? The majority of us posting here are fans. Yes, real fans that buy CDs and go to concerts.

And while we feel bad that Clay takes hits that he doesn't deserve, we don't find it our place to fight with the loonies.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Clay is a singer/celebrity... a person we don't know. Some people claim their undying love, some of us are just along for the ride and hope it lasts a long time. Does that really make us bad fans?

Personally, I HATE the shit that I find in certain blogs, but I also think I have a heathly perspective. In all honesty, I don't think too many people read this crap. I have my own reasons... mostly to do with a late-night, twisted, fascination. (Go ahead and say I have no life.)

Have criminal acts been committed online? IMO - yes. But none of us are responsible for pressing charges about what is said about Clay. Only Clay can decide how to handle that.

For those fans that have been stalked, harassed, etc. by nasty people - you have every right to pursue legal action as you see fit.

One reason I feel the need to speak out is that I KNOW that Chexxy has accused a friend of mine of being a person she is not. In her position, she has not been able to address the false accusations. But I will go to the mat for my friends. In this one instance, I KNOW Chexxy is wrong!

So for all of you that feel that you have to defend Clay, speak for yourself, but be careful. He is a grown man with a multitude of professionals on his payroll.

Ask yourself what your motive is in all of this.

I understand fully, fighting for a friend, but I also know that Clay is not my friend, and what I post online will not make him my friend.

Farhad said...

Flag the blog.

Report John for bandwidth theft. He is copy/paste from the church. That is bandwidth theft and against the COC and TOS of both google and blogger.

Contact Omid and report JP to him.

The blog will be deleted. If you don't do this, he will beable to access his freedom of speech because there is a law that allows him to do so, but you must report him for bandwidth theft. The abuse is freedom of speech in comparison to that. He is copy/pasting those images and emails right from their website. Copyright infringement.

Good luck!

Anonymous said...

2:50, your post only goes to prove how really delusional you've become in your quest to be Clay's savior.

I can't believe you can sit on this blog or any other and post this shit and not think people are going to say "WTF?"

You are giving us all a bad name.

IF JP went private for good, it had nothing to do with you idiots.

By the way, why are you continuing to hang out at that swamp blog anyway? Did you think you could force him into submission, too?

There is no justification for what you've done. None.

You and the rest of the world have no idea why he went private. My bet is because he's going to come back with something even worse.

Will you take credit for that, too?

Anonymous said...

Jesus, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back there, 2:50. Will you be as eager to eat your words when JP comes back with shit even worse?

Oh, and while we're at it, do not question where I've been for the past 20 months, you fool. I've watched you and your ilk do things just as illegal as JP.

I know exactly what Chexxxy and her followers did and continue to do.

Chew on that for awhile, then come back and tell me all about what a horrible fan I am and what a "good" fan you are, mmmmmkay.

Get a fucking grip.

Anonymous said...

Gee, guess you didn't do your job as well as you said, 2:50. JP is now live and allowing all to see.

Bravo. Only not.

Anonymous said...

JP is psychotic

Chexxxy is psychotic. She makes JP look like an amateur. She is the pied piper from hell.

Anonymous said...

Did you all notice that jp has "admitted" that he has been talking to Fake Clay lo these past 12 months? That everything he's said about Clay was actually about Fake Clay. Hmmmm. Wonder if Chexxxy's activities had anything to do with this nice new development? Hmmmm?

Anonymous said...

"Did you all notice that jp has "admitted" that he has been talking to Fake Clay lo these past 12 months? That everything he's said about Clay was actually about Fake Clay. Hmmmm. Wonder if Chexxxy's activities had anything to do with this nice new development? Hmmmm?"


When are you people ever going to learn? I think of this kinda like that Peanuts cartoon where Lucy holds the football for Charlie Brown. Lucy always manages to convince Charlie that THIS time she won't pull the ball away before he kicks, but EVERY time..she pulls it away and Charlie lands on his ass. She gets a kick out of it and the readers laugh, roll their eyes, and feel sorry for Charlie who has been fooled once again. The only way for Charlie to win this one is to refuse to fall for it and tell her he's not going to play that game with her anymore.

This is JP's game and he's clever enough to keep you all engaged and "falling for it". He is using you and fooling you. Who wants to place bets as to how long the celebrating will last until he's sucked you into yet another chapter of his fan fic? I think you're BOTH addicted to it!

This also does not excuse the abhorrent behavior on the part of Chexxxy and her Klan towards other fans. It does not excuse hiring private investigators to look into the backgrounds of "bad fans," putting people's pictures on the internet, putting pictures of people's houses on the internet, attacking anyone who doesn't agree with their tactics and so forth. It also doesn't heal the tremendous wounds in the fandom that Chexxxy and crew have made.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11:01 said:

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This also does not excuse the abhorrent behavior on the part of Chexxxy and her Klan towards other fans. It does not excuse hiring private investigators to look into the backgrounds of "bad fans," putting people's pictures on the internet, putting pictures of people's houses on the internet, attacking anyone who doesn't agree with their tactics and so forth. It also doesn't heal the tremendous wounds in the fandom that Chexxxy and crew have made.
Unquote

You have got to be kidding calling those people fans that are as much to blame for the grief that Clay has been through as the stalker.

The OC'ers are not Clay's fans. The lowlifes on Chexxxy's blogs are not Clay's fans. You just don't do things like that to someone that you are a fan of. They are about as much fans as the FS, PH, and the stalker.

I can't believe some of you call yourselves fans and want to protect these nutbars.

Clay's fans do not team up with lowlifes to try and ruin him.

I hope Chexxxy exposes every piece of slime that has had anything to do with hurting Clay and they get exactly what they deserve.

Anonymous said...

I still say that no matter what has gone on with this crap, that most of it has not impacted Clay at all.

JP and his story in the media over a year ago - maybe some.

But I honestly think that anyone who thinks this online crap is known to more than a handful of fans and/or not fans is living in another world.

Wake up people. All this sh*t is not on the radar of 99% of people that buy CDs or go to concerts. Keep trying to make yourselves feel important... whatever.

This is all a twisted psycho-drama on the www... that's all.

Yep, I'm watching, for my own reasons, but I'm always going to be a fan no matter what. 99% of this has nothing to do with Clay.

The fan crap, and nutjob fans, posers, pretenders, and stalkers will never keep me away.

I know a good voice when I hear one. :D

Anonymous said...

"You have got to be kidding calling those people fans that are as much to blame for the grief that Clay has been through as the stalker."

As much to blame?? Are we talking about chexxxy/taiken who set off Perez Hilton a couple of years ago when she got him fired and harrassed him after which he came back to be what he is today? (He thanks the clayfans for his "start" in the business, you know.. that would be thanking taiken, and friends) So what fans are you talking about? The ones who Chexxxy/taiken has decided is guilty of some sin? Just how brainwashed ARE you?

"The OC'ers are not Clay's fans. The lowlifes on Chexxxy's blogs are not Clay's fans. You just don't do things like that to someone that you are a fan of. They are about as much fans as the FS, PH, and the stalker."

Who is talking about OCers here? What "lowlifes" are you talking about? Anyone who doesn't think like you? What bullshit. No one is disputing that the haters are insane and destructive.

"I can't believe some of you call yourselves fans and want to protect these nutbars."

Again, what nutbars? The people that Taiken (Chexxxy) doesn't like? (Isn't SHE banned from just about every large clayboard out there herself for being a bigoted nut?) Or are we talking about the ones her "crack" team of investigators (only not) have targeted? Are the new Chexxxy storm-troopers the ones who are going to write the qualifications list for what it takes to be a "fan?"

"Clay's fans do not team up with lowlifes to try and ruin him."

Clay's true fans also do not try to destroy his fandom for the sake of a mis-informed witch-hunt.

"I hope Chexxxy exposes every piece of slime that has had anything to do with hurting Clay and they get exactly what they deserve."

Well, one of the first things Taiken (Chexxy) would need to do for that would be to look in a mirror. If you can't see that, then I feel sorry for you. Well, actually, the person I feel MOST sorry for is Clay, who has these nutjobs destroying his fanbase.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 3:04

Why should Chexxxy look in the mirror? For trying to stop the lowlife scum from continuing to degrade Clay?

Why should the scum be left alone to constantly drag him through the mud?

I don't understand that kind of thinking.

I'll say it again, when everything comes out in the open I hope every single lowlife that has had anything to do with smearing Clay Aiken's good name gets everything they deserve.

interestedintruth said...

"As much to blame?? Are we talking about chexxxy/taiken who set off Perez Hilton a couple of years ago when she got him fired and harrassed him after which he came back to be what he is today?"

REALLY? First time I heard that one. Details, please?

Anonymous said...

"Why should Chexxxy look in the mirror? For trying to stop the lowlife scum from continuing to degrade Clay?

Why should the scum be left alone to constantly drag him through the mud?

I don't understand that kind of thinking.

I'll say it again, when everything comes out in the open I hope every single lowlife that has had anything to do with smearing Clay Aiken's good name gets everything they deserve."

I'm sure Chexxxy means well with 'trying to stop the lowlife scum' but it is NOT CHEXXXY'S JOB!! It is NOT her job to POLICE the fandom for good and bad fans. It is NOT her job to figure out who deserves to stay or go.

I believe Chexxxy is helping to DESTROY Clay's online community. Look at all the people jumping on the bandwagon and turning against former friends and pointing fingers at each other!! Look at all the people who are deciding this is not a fun place to be anymore and who are leaving the boards. I'm talking about good, supportive, rational fans. She likes to think it's the OCers driving people away and for some it is, but it's also HER supporters. These Chexxxy people are the RADICAL NUTS of the fandom and their seizing control is driving everyone else off!

I also believe that Chexxxy gets WRONG information and that there's a lot of hysteria warping what she hears and thinks and acts on.

I also hope the REAL villains in this, JP and the haters, are eliminated absolutely. But Chexxxy's way IS destroying Clay's online base of support in the process of doing it HER way. And she doesn't care!!

Anonymous said...

I also hope the REAL villains in this, JP and the haters, are eliminated absolutely. But Chexxxy's way IS destroying Clay's online base of support in the process of doing it HER way. And she doesn't care!!

September 30, 2007 6:35 PM

When the internet becomes a democracy and everyone has an equal vote before something is said or done, we'll talk. Until then this infighting is not helping and that is what is making me sick.

Anonymous said...

For all the delusional Claymates out there who think Clay would never talk to a fan, I have one word for you:

Claythud.

From Bolt.

Yeah she schmoozed her way to the inside, but started out as a fangirly fan on Bolt.

Anonymous said...

And he and his mother learned some hard lessons. Clay has had to learn how to keep the fans out of his personal life and I believe he does that. He was very naive when Claythud wormed her way into his his life. He is not anymore.

Anonymous said...

2:57-

I would love to believe that Clay is not that naive anymore, I really would. But what do any of us know? The only person who might know for sure is someone who knows Clay, and if a fan knows Clay, then ... oops... there goes that argument. See, that's the difficulty with making assumptions. It may be what we might assume is logical or what we hear in backchannels, but really -- no one knows for sure what Clay does, thinks, feels, and so on. I think it's presumptuous of us to speak for him.

Anonymous said...

i miss clay so much..

Anonymous said...

When you posted this I wasn't really aware of what was going on. Now I am and boy oh boy were you ever RIGHT! The blog comments both here and at Chexxy's (not to mention that ridiculous video and that lame CYA excuse for it) reveal a very scary, scary part of the fanbase. Makes me want to run in the other direction. How do people get so full of themselves or feel entitled? They are also attacking the Clackhouse big-time. I look at them and see arrow minded, judgemental, arrogant bigots. How sad for Clay.